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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Reversing the order of {-vo'}
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (DloraH)
Thu Aug 10 19:39:21 2017
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From: DloraH <seruq@bellsouth.net>
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 18:39:06 -0500
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On Thu, 2017-08-10 at 19:20 -0400, SuStel wrote:
> On 8/10/2017 7:13 PM, DloraH wrote:
> > On Thu, 2017-08-10 at 12:25 -0400, SuStel wrote:
> >> On 8/10/2017 11:52 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
> > ...
> >> *
> >> *
> >>> What I'm trying to understand (and the more this thread continues, the
> >>> "trying" becomes "struggling"), is why -as De'vID wrote- "the pattern
> >>> is {X-vo' Y-Daq chegh} and not {Y-Daq X-vo' chegh}".
> >> I don't know anything about there being a REASON it can only work that
> >> way. What I know is what Voragh has already pointed out: we have many
> >> canonical examples of*X-vo' Y-Daq OVS* and none of *Y-Daq X-vo' OVS.*
> >> The answer to your question is "that's just the way it is."
> > For me, a leading -Daq would be the location where the whole [-vo' -Daq
> > chegh] is taking place.
> >
> > HoD - [nuqDaq beq? yuQ ghoSta''a'?]
> > yaS - [jISovchu'be'. yuQ ghoSlaw']
> > yuQ ghoS HoD. beq nej.
> >
> > Meanwhile... DujDaq puchpa'vo' vutpa'Daq chegh beq.
>
> I don't think you'd even need to appeal to three syntactic nouns to do
> that: *DujDaq puchpa'vo' chegh*/on the ship, he returns from the
> bathroom./ There's probably some scoping rules baked into our
> language-using brains that does this. No way to tell if Klingons do the
> same.
But you left out the part about returning "to the galley".
I put the DujDaq on there to emphasis that the crewman is still on the
ship; as opposed to returning from a toilet to a galley, in some
building down on the planet.
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