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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] bommey 'IQ
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Wed Aug 2 12:47:41 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 19:47:38 +0300
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SuStel:
> bom 'IQ DaQoy DaneHbejchugh, "Kilkelly, Ireland" yI'Ij.
luq ! wa'leS, yaHwIjDaq vIpawDI' 'ej 'Internet Do yap vIghaj, bomvam vIQoy.
DaH, ghogh HablI'wIj neH vIlo'laH.
qunnoq
On 2 Aug 2017 7:33 pm, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 8/2/2017 12:20 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
>
> jIH:
>
> wa'Hu', yaHwIjDaq jIHtaH, 'ej bom 'IQ vI'IjchoH. bomvammo' jI'IQchoH, 'a
> bomvam vImevbe'.
>
> lieven:
> > vay' DamevlaHbe', mev vay' neH. mev bom DaneHchugh, vaj
> > yImevmoH.
>
> If I understand correctly, you mean that {mev} is intransitive ?
>
> Meaning that I can't say {bom vImev} for "I stop the song" ? And I can
> only say {bom vImevmoH} ?
>
> It has been used both ways.
>
> *bIjatlh 'e' yImev** Shut up!* (TKD)
> The thing stopped is the object.
>
> *not mev peghmey** Secrets never cease*. (PK)
> The thing stopped (or not, in this case) is the subject.
>
> *tagh* *start *has been used both ways, too:
>
> *taghbej mu'qaD veS** Curse warfare has definitely begun.* (CK)
> The thing that gets started is the subject.
>
> *Qu' DataghDI' 'aqtu' mellota' je tIqaw** When you begin a mission,
> remember Aktuh and Melota*. (TKW)
> The thing that gets started is the object.
>
> So, barring any further data, you can say either *bom vImev* or *bom
> vImevmoH.*
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">SuStel:<div dir=3D"auto">>=C2=A0<span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">bom 'IQ DaQoy DaneHbejchugh, "=
Kilkelly, Ireland" yI'Ij.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=
=3D"font-family:sans-serif">luq ! wa'leS, yaHwIjDaq vIpawDI' 'e=
j 'Internet Do yap vIghaj, bomvam vIQoy. DaH, ghogh HablI'wIj neH v=
Ilo'laH.</span><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font face=3D"sans-serif">qun=
noq</font></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote">On 2 Aug 2017 7:33 pm, "SuStel" <<a href=3D"mailto:sustel=
@trimboli.name">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class=3D"m_-3163109481054493325moz-cite-prefix">On 8/2/2017 12:20 =
PM, mayqel qunenoS
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">jIH:
<div dir=3D"auto">
<div style=3D"color:purple;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696p=
x" dir=3D"auto">
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px sol=
id rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">wa'Hu', yaHwIjDaq
jIHtaH, 'ej bom 'IQ vI'IjchoH. bomvammo' jI'=
;IQchoH, 'a
bomvam vImevbe'.<br>
</blockquote>
<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:large">lieven:</span></=
div>
<span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">>
vay' DamevlaHbe', mev vay' neH. mev bom DaneHchugh, v=
aj=C2=A0</span></div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.=
696px">>
yImevmoH.</span><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.=
696px"><br>
</span></div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">If I
understand correctly, you mean that {mev} is intransitive ?=C2=A0=
</span></div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br>
</span></div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">Meaning that
I can't say {bom vImev} for "I stop the song" ? And=
I can only
say {bom vImevmoH} ?</span><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;=
font-size:13.696px"><br>
</span></div>
</blockquote>
<p>It has been used both ways.</p>
<p><b>bIjatlh 'e' yImev</b><i> Shut up!</i> (TKD)<br>
The thing stopped is the object.</p>
<p><b>not mev peghmey</b><i> Secrets never cease</i>. (PK)<br>
The thing stopped (or not, in this case) is the subject.</p>
<p><b>tagh</b> <i>start </i>has been used both ways, too:</p>
<p><b>taghbej mu'qaD veS</b><i> Curse warfare has definitely begun.=
</i>
(CK)<br>
The thing that gets started is the subject.</p>
<p><b>Qu' DataghDI' 'aqtu' mellota' je tIqaw</b><i>=
When you begin a
mission, remember Aktuh and Melota</i>. (TKW)<br>
The thing that gets started is the object.</p>
<p>So, barring any further data, you can say either <b>bom vImev</b>
or <b>bom vImevmoH.</b><br>
</p>
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