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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] bommey 'IQ
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Wed Aug 2 12:33:45 2017
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On 8/2/2017 12:20 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
> jIH:
>
> wa'Hu', yaHwIjDaq jIHtaH, 'ej bom 'IQ vI'IjchoH. bomvammo'
> jI'IQchoH, 'a bomvam vImevbe'.
>
> lieven:
> > vay' DamevlaHbe', mev vay' neH. mev bom DaneHchugh, vaj
> > yImevmoH.
>
> If I understand correctly, you mean that {mev} is intransitive ?
>
> Meaning that I can't say {bom vImev} for "I stop the song" ? And I can
> only say {bom vImevmoH} ?
It has been used both ways.
*bIjatlh 'e' yImev*/Shut up!/ (TKD)
The thing stopped is the object.
*not mev peghmey*/Secrets never cease/. (PK)
The thing stopped (or not, in this case) is the subject.
*tagh* /start /has been used both ways, too:
*taghbej mu'qaD veS*/Curse warfare has definitely begun./ (CK)
The thing that gets started is the subject.
*Qu' DataghDI' 'aqtu' mellota' je tIqaw*/When you begin a mission,
remember Aktuh and Melota/. (TKW)
The thing that gets started is the object.
So, barring any further data, you can say either *bom vImev* or *bom
vImevmoH.*
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/2/2017 12:20 PM, mayqel qunenoS
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAP7F2cLcAs8fSgOWyc9-d-bA_AuSg4=z9a7Qe_vfSGu94Xjsvg@mail.gmail.com">jIH:
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<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px
solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">wa'Hu', yaHwIjDaq
jIHtaH, 'ej bom 'IQ vI'IjchoH. bomvammo' jI'IQchoH, 'a
bomvam vImevbe'.<br>
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<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:large">lieven:</span></div>
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vay' DamevlaHbe', mev vay' neH. mev bom DaneHchugh, vaj </span></div>
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style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">>
yImevmoH.</span><br>
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style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br>
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<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">If I
understand correctly, you mean that {mev} is intransitive ? </span></div>
<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif"><br>
</span></div>
<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">Meaning that
I can't say {bom vImev} for "I stop the song" ? And I can only
say {bom vImevmoH} ?</span><span
style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br>
</span></div>
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<p>It has been used both ways.</p>
<p><b>bIjatlh 'e' yImev</b><i> Shut up!</i> (TKD)<br>
The thing stopped is the object.</p>
<p><b>not mev peghmey</b><i> Secrets never cease</i>. (PK)<br>
The thing stopped (or not, in this case) is the subject.</p>
<p><b>tagh</b> <i>start </i>has been used both ways, too:</p>
<p><b>taghbej mu'qaD veS</b><i> Curse warfare has definitely begun.</i>
(CK)<br>
The thing that gets started is the subject.</p>
<p><b>Qu' DataghDI' 'aqtu' mellota' je tIqaw</b><i> When you begin a
mission, remember Aktuh and Melota</i>. (TKW)<br>
The thing that gets started is the object.</p>
<p>So, barring any further data, you can say either <b>bom vImev</b>
or <b>bom vImevmoH.</b><br>
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