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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] With regards to invectives
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Wed Jul 19 11:39:49 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:39:45 +0300
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qurgh:
> Is there any difference between "arsehole" and "dickhead", or
> "damn it" and "bloody hell"? Not that I know of. They are just
> words and phrases used to insult or show
> annoyance/frustration/pain/etc.
You're right. The only difference I can think of, is that the first two
describe a person, while the second pair can be used as exclamations in
response to an unfortunate situation, anger etc..
qurgh
> What about in Greek? I'm sure there are words that you use
> as insults to people that aren't taken to mean what the
> word(s) might literally mean. :)
Yes, you're 100 percent right !
qunnoq
On 19 Jul 2017 6:33 pm, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> qurgh:
> > I use the general invectives as exclamations and the epithets as nouns
> or exclamations.
>
> Wouldn't be strange though to use an epithet as an exclamation ? An
> epithet like {petaQ} {Qovpatlh} {taHqeq} etc, describes a person, right ?
>
> So, how could we use it in a moment of lets say anger or frustration,
> without referring to a specific person ?
>
> Would it make for example sense to say: {QapHa' jonta'. taHqeq !} ?
>
> qunnoq
>
> On 19 Jul 2017 6:21 pm, "qurgh lungqIj" <qurgh@wizage.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 10:36 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So we have the {jay'}, which always comes at the end of the sentence,
>>> transforming the entire sentence into an invective.
>>>
>>> But how are the other invectives i.e. {va} {Hu'tegh} {ghay'cha'}
>>> {baQa'}, used ?
>>>
>>> Are they placed at the end of the sentence ? Somewhere else within the
>>> sentence, or are they placed between sentences ?
>>>
>>
>> I use the general invectives as exclamations and the epithets as nouns or
>> exclamations.
>>
>> Qu'vatlh! nISwI'wIj nIH yaS! toDSaH ghaH!
>>
>> qurgh
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"auto">qurgh:<div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-s=
erif;font-size:13.696px">> Is there any difference between "arsehol=
e" and "dickhead", or=C2=A0</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><s=
pan style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">> "damn it&=
quot; and "bloody hell"?=C2=A0 Not that I know of. They are just<=
/span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-si=
ze:13.696px">> =C2=A0words and phrases used to insult or show=C2=A0</spa=
n></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:1=
3.696px">> annoyance/frustration/pain/</span><wbr style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-si=
ze:13.696px">etc.=C2=A0</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:sans-serif">You're right. The only difference I can think of, is t=
hat the first two describe a person, while the second pair can be used as e=
xclamations in response to an unfortunate situation, anger etc..</span><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br></span><=
/div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">qurgh</span><=
br style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><span style=3D"font-=
family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">> What about in Greek? I'm sur=
e there are words that you use=C2=A0</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span st=
yle=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">> as insults to people=
that aren't taken to mean what the=C2=A0</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"=
><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">> word(s) mig=
ht literally mean. :)</span><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font=
-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">Yes, you're 100 percent right !</=
span><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span><=
/div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></=
div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">qunnoq</span><=
/div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 19 =
Jul 2017 6:33 pm, "mayqel qunenoS" <<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@=
gmail.com">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">qurgh:<div dir=3D"auto">>=C2=
=A0<span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">I use the gene=
ral invectives as exclamations and the epithets as nouns or exclamations.</=
span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br></s=
pan></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">Wouldn&#=
39;t be strange though to use an epithet as an exclamation ? An epithet lik=
e {petaQ} {Qovpatlh} {taHqeq} etc, describes a person, right ?</span><br></=
div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">So, how could w=
e use it in a moment of lets say anger or frustration, without referring to=
a specific person ?</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-fami=
ly:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:sans-serif">Would it make for example sense to say:=C2=A0</span><span sty=
le=3D"font-family:sans-serif">{QapHa' jonta'. taHqeq !} ?</span></d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></di=
v><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">qunnoq</span></d=
iv></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 19 Ju=
l 2017 6:21 pm, "qurgh lungqIj" <<a href=3D"mailto:qurgh@wizag=
e.net" target=3D"_blank">qurgh@wizage.net</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribu=
tion"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_e=
xtra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 10:36 AM, mayqel q=
unenoS <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D=
"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">So we have the {jay'}, whi=
ch always comes at the end of the sentence, transforming the entire sentenc=
e into an invective.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">But how a=
re the other invectives i.e. {va} {Hu'tegh} {ghay'cha'} {baQa&#=
39;}, used ?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Are they pl=
aced at the end of the sentence ? Somewhere else within the sentence, or ar=
e they placed between sentences ?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><d=
iv>I use the general invectives as exclamations and the epithets as nouns o=
r exclamations.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Qu'vatlh! nISwI'wIj =
nIH yaS! toDSaH ghaH!=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>qurgh</div><div><br></=
div></div></div></div>
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