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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] qep'a' webpage
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Holt)
Wed Jul 5 13:26:14 2017
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ghItlh mayqel qunenoS:
>> DaH qep'a' ve'meH bonablaH.
>If the {ve'} as a verb of movement follows the same rules with {jaH}, and =
the sentence refers to a single person, then..
>shouldn't this be {DaH qep'a'Daq Dave'meH bInablaH} or {DaH qep'a' Da'veme=
H bInablaH} ?
Since the {bo-} prefix is used on the main verb, the sentence is not referr=
ing to a single person. To be safe, this should be, {DaH qep'a'Daq bove'me=
H bonablaH}. The {-Daq} is actually optional and should not be a point of =
contention or argument.
I believe that there are examples of {-meH} on a verb which does not appear=
to have a prefix and where a null prefix does not seem to make sense. It =
seems that {-meH} might actually be able to take a rare infinitive. I'm no=
t very good a tracking canon examples, so I would love it if anyone could s=
hare a couple of them. But now that I'm examining it more closely, I'll be=
t none of those examples also have a object on the {-meH} verb. I probably=
took too many liberties in this translation.
> pa' SoHtaH pagh meyrI' SoHtaH!
"there you are or a square you are being" ?
I see be''etlh has given you the English idiom. Without knowing the Englis=
h idiom, I would probably translate the Klingon as, "Either you are there o=
r you are a square." I was being silly and did knew that it was a nonsense=
thing to say in Klingon. I also knew the majority (but not all) of Klingo=
n speakers would get the reference.
Jeremy
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<p><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">ghItl=
h mayqel qunenoS:</span></p>
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<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; font-=
family: calibri, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 17.12px;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt">>> DaH qep'a' ve'meH bonablaH.</span><=
/p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; font-=
family: calibri, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 17.12px;">
<span style=3D"font-size:17.12px"><br>
</span></p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; font-=
family: calibri, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 17.12px;">
<span style=3D"font-size:17.12px">>If the {ve'} as a verb of movement fo=
llows the same rules with {jaH}, and the sentence refers to a single person=
, then..</span></p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; font-=
family: calibri, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 17.12px;">
<span style=3D"font-size: 17.12px;">>shouldn't this be {DaH qep'a'Daq Da=
ve'meH bInablaH} or {DaH qep'a' Da'vemeH bInablaH} ?</span><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; font-=
family: calibri, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 17.12px;">
<span style=3D"font-size:17.12px"><br>
</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><font face=3D"calibri, ar=
ial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size: 17.12px;">Since the {=
bo-} prefix is used on the main verb, the sentence is not referring to=
a single person. To be safe, this should
be, {DaH qep'a'Daq bove'meH bonablaH}. The {-Daq} is actually option=
al and should not be a point of contention or argument.<br>
<br>
I believe that there are examples of {-meH} on a verb which does not appear=
to have a prefix and where a null prefix does not seem to make sense<span =
style=3D"font-family: calibri, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 17.=
12px;">. It seems that {-meH} might
actually be able to take a rare infinitive</span>. I'm not very good=
a tracking canon examples, so I would love it if anyone could share a coup=
le of them. But now that I'm examining it more closely, I'll bet none=
of those examples also have a object on the
{-meH} verb. I probably took too many liberties in this translation.=
</span></font></p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; font-=
family: calibri, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 17.12px;">
<br>
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family: calibri, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 17.12px;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt">> pa' SoHtaH pagh meyrI' SoHtaH!</sp=
an></p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; font-=
family: calibri, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 17.12px;">
<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; font-=
family: calibri, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 17.12px;">
<span style=3D"font-size:large">"there you are or a square you are bei=
ng" ?</span><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; font-=
family: calibri, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 17.12px;">
<span style=3D"font-size:large"><br>
</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><font size=3D"4" style=3D=
""><font face=3D"calibri, arial, helvetica, sans-serif">I see be''etlh has =
given you the English idiom. Without knowing the English idiom, I wou=
ld probably translate the Klingon as, "Either
you are there or you are a square." I was being silly and did k=
new that it was a nonsense thing to say in Klingon. I also knew the m=
ajority (but not all) of Klingon speakers would get the reference.</fo=
nt></font></p>
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family: calibri, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">
<font size=3D"4"><br>
</font></p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; font-=
family: calibri, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">
<font size=3D"4">Jeremy</font></p>
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