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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] The problem with pIqaD
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Holt)
Wed Jul 5 12:58:45 2017
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I was speaking to Dr. Okrand in December about this subject. He told me th=
at when he was writing the Message to Kronos he did not ask Maltz about it,=
but rather pulled out Hamlet to see what word was used there. When I aske=
d him about which word was correct or if there was a difference in meaning,=
he only said that it was interesting that there seemed to be two words.
Jeremy
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From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> on behalf of Steven=
Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 10:07 AM
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] The problem with pIqaD
Andr=E9 M=FCller <esperantist@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Personally, I can't read much of the pIqaD (gotta learn it too), but
>> the letter match the common-style Klingon pIqaD. With some eyeball
>> matching and imagination I think you can figure out which letter is
>> which. I think the first line ends in -ta'. First word of the second
>> line is qul, etc.
De'vID:
> It says: {ghetwI' luwIvlu'ta'. qul yIchu'}
From the announcement at:
http://www.cbs.com/shows/star-trek-discovery/news/1006273/star-trek-discove=
ry-reveals-klingon-characters-/
[http://wwwimage5.cbsstatic.com/thumbnails/photos/w1200-h630-c1200:630/blog=
/9a302778b3e66853_star_trek_discovery_klingon_cast_1920.jpg]<http://www.cbs=
.com/shows/star-trek-discovery/news/1006273/star-trek-discovery-reveals-kli=
ngon-characters-/>
Star Trek: Discovery Reveals Klingon Characters - CBS.com<http://www.cbs.co=
m/shows/star-trek-discovery/news/1006273/star-trek-discovery-reveals-klingo=
n-characters-/>
www.cbs.com
Star Trek: Discovery Reveals Klingon Characters Chris Obi and Mary Chieffo =
have joined the cast. Plus, can you decipher these Klingon lines?
If you don't have a universal translator handy, the first
line says, "The actors have been chosen." The second line
says, "Light the Fire." We'll let you discover what that
really means.
No really new vocabulary but if Okrand wrote or vetted this (anyone know?) =
as he may well have done - 1. it's an official announcement; and 2. notice =
the absence of a redundant plural suffix implied with {luwIvlu'ta'} on {ghe=
twI'} - we now have another word for "actor/actress", derived from {ghet}:
(HQ 12.3:8): {Qaq} "behave falsely honorably, behave in a falsely honorabl=
e manner" ... is different from {toj} "deceive" and {ghet} "pretend", neith=
er of which has this kind of connection to honor ... {ghet} and {ghetwI'} "=
pretender" generally do not imply deception, but simply role-playing.
(De=92vID, 11/10/2015): At ... qepHom [2011], Okrand said a bunch of thing=
s about what verbs take what objects ... One of the words that [Okrand] use=
d to illustrate this was {ghet}. You can say {vulqangan jIH 'e' vIghet".
in addition to {DawI'} derived from {Da} "behave as, act in the manner of" =
used on this list for years, which appeared in the "Message to Kronos":
qatlh tlhIngan lut luja' tera'ngan DawI'pu'lI'?
Why are your Earthling actors telling a Klingon story? ('u'-MTK)
As for the difference between the two...?
--
Voragh
tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a'
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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<p>I was speaking to Dr. Okrand in December about this subject. He to=
ld me that when he was writing the Message to Kronos he did not ask Maltz a=
bout it, but rather pulled out Hamlet to see what word was used there. &nbs=
p;When I asked him about which word was correct
or if there was a difference in meaning, he only said that it was interest=
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<p>Jeremy</p>
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<div class=3D"PlainText">Andr=E9 M=FCller <esperantist@gmail.com> wro=
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>> Personally, I can't read much of the pIqaD (gotta learn it too), b=
ut<br>
>> the letter match the common-style Klingon pIqaD. With some eyeball=
<br>
>> matching and imagination I think you can figure out which letter i=
s<br>
>> which. I think the first line ends in -ta'. First word of the seco=
nd<br>
>> line is qul, etc.<br>
<br>
De'vID: <br>
> It says: {ghetwI' luwIvlu'ta'. qul yIchu'}<br>
<br>
From the announcement at:<br>
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<br>
<br>
If you don't have a universal translator handy, the first<br>
line says, "The actors have been chosen." The second line<=
br>
says, "Light the Fire." We'll let you discover what that<b=
r>
really means.<br>
<br>
No really new vocabulary but if Okrand wrote or vetted this (anyone know?) =
as he may well have done - 1. it's an official announcement; and 2. notice =
the absence of a redundant plural suffix implied with {luwIvlu'ta'} on {ghe=
twI'} - we now have another word
for "actor/actress", derived from {ghet}:<br>
<br>
(HQ 12.3:8): {Qaq} "behave falsely honorably, behave in a falsel=
y honorable manner" ... is different from {toj} "deceive" an=
d {ghet} "pretend", neither of which has this kind of connection =
to honor ... {ghet} and {ghetwI'} "pretender" generally do not im=
ply
deception, but simply role-playing.<br>
<br>
(De=92vID, 11/10/2015): At ... qepHom [2011], Okrand said a bunch of =
things about what verbs take what objects ... One of the words that [Okrand=
] used to illustrate this was {ghet}. You can say {vulqangan jIH 'e' vIghet=
".
<br>
<br>
in addition to {DawI'} derived from {Da} "behave as, act in the manner=
of" used on this list for years, which appeared in the "Message =
to Kronos":<br>
<br>
qatlh tlhIngan lut luja' tera'ngan DawI'pu'lI'? <br>
Why are your Earthling actors telling a Klingon story? ('u'-MTK)<br>
<br>
As for the difference between the two...?<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Voragh<br>
tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a'<br>
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons<br>
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