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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] The new old Klingons
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Thu May 18 09:25:16 2017
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Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 09:24:41 -0400
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On 5/18/2017 7:37 AM, Rebecca Krause wrote:
> "tlhIch purwI' 'oHbe'."
>
> qech 'oH <Star Trek>. qech mIllogh bIH <The Original Series>, <The
> Next Generation>, <Deep Space Nine>, latlhmey je. pImlaH mIlloghmey.
>
> Trying to say:
>
> "This is not a pipe.
>
> Star Trek is an idea. TOS, TNG, DS9, etc. are representations of an
> idea. Representations can differ."
>
> Especially not sure about <tlhIch purwI'> due to the ambiguity of
> that; it could be a smoking device or a person who smokes.
*tlhIch purwI'*/smoke inhaler:/ the subject of *pur* inhales something.
The English might be ambiguous; the Klingon is not. *tlhIch purmeH
jan*/device for inhaling smoke/ might be a pipe, but it might also be a
cigarette or a bong.
Whenever you use a pronoun as a verb, any noun phrases that go on the
right side of the pronoun must have *-'e'* attached to them.
*qech 'oH Hov leng'e'. qech mIllogh bIH much wa'DIch'e', puq poH veb'e',
logh Hop tengchaH Hut'e', latlhmey'e' je.*
With the understanding that you're talking about these things being
*qech mIllogh* /visual depictions of an idea./ *mIllogh* means a visual
depiction, not an abstract representation (unless it's a visual one).
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/18/2017 7:37 AM, Rebecca Krause
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAA7P6fsaO70OdhnJmFijttMVDBGFMX6TR5je=1omUuDFNM+2wg@mail.gmail.com"
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<div dir="ltr">"tlhIch purwI' 'oHbe'."<br>
<br>
qech 'oH <Star Trek>. qech mIllogh bIH <The Original
Series>, <The Next Generation>, <Deep Space
Nine>, latlhmey je. pImlaH mIlloghmey.<br>
<br>
Trying to say:<br>
<br>
"This is not a pipe.<br>
<br>
Star Trek is an idea. TOS, TNG, DS9, etc. are representations of
an idea. Representations can differ."<br>
<br>
Especially not sure about <tlhIch purwI'> due to the
ambiguity of that; it could be a smoking device or a person who
smokes.<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p><b>tlhIch purwI'</b><i> smoke inhaler:</i> the subject of <b>pur</b>
inhales something. The English might be ambiguous; the Klingon is
not. <b>tlhIch purmeH jan</b><i> device for inhaling smoke</i>
might be a pipe, but it might also be a cigarette or a bong.</p>
<p>Whenever you use a pronoun as a verb, any noun phrases that go on
the right side of the pronoun must have <b>-'e'</b> attached to
them.<br>
</p>
<p><b>qech 'oH Hov leng'e'. qech mIllogh bIH much wa'DIch'e', puq
poH veb'e', logh Hop tengchaH Hut'e', latlhmey'e' je.</b></p>
<p>With the understanding that you're talking about these things
being <b>qech mIllogh</b> <i>visual depictions of an idea.</i> <b>mIllogh</b>
means a visual depiction, not an abstract representation (unless
it's a visual one).<br>
</p>
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