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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] The new old Klingons
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Thu May 18 09:46:05 2017
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From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
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Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 13:46:00 +0000
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Consider breaking up the long English sentence into two shorter Klingon sen=
tences. Here's some vocabulary and examples to play with:
lo'Ha' waste (v)
HoS lI' Dalo'Ha'chu'
You are a total waste of good energy! PK
lo'laHbe' be worthless (v)
vIlo'laHbe'
They are useless to me. I cannot use them. TKD
leghlaHchu'be'chugh mIn lo'laHbe' taj jej
A sharp knife is nothing without a sharp eye. TKW
lo'laHbe'; chetvI' chIm rur
worthless as an empty torpedo tube KGT
lo'laHbe'ghach worthlessness (n)
lI' be useful (v)
Qu'vaD lI' net tu'bej
One certainly finds it useful for the mission.
One will certainly observe that it is useful
to the mission. TKD
Qu'vaD lI' De'vam
This information is useful for the mission. TKD
HoS lI' Dalo'Ha'chu'
You are a total waste of good energy! PK
lI' 'e' Datu'
You will find it useful. PK
lI'qu' tlhIngan may' taj
The Klingon battle knife is designed primarily for
versatility of use. SP2
bIDaqchu' 'ej jagh De' lI' DaSuq
Intercept useful enemy information. MKE
lI'be' be useless
wa'maH yIHmey lI'be'
ten useless tribbles CK
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Voragh
On Behalf Of SuStel
On 5/18/2017 6:28 AM, Rebecca Krause wrote:
jIQochbe'. paghmeH tlhIngan Hol vIghojtaH vIneHbe'.
If you see errors I would be happy to be corrected; I'm a learner... thank =
you What I was trying to say with each sentence was:
"I agree. I don't want to be learning Klingon for nothing."
-meH is a verb suffix; you can't put it on nouns. The English idiom for not=
hing isn't something you can translate quite so easily; you have to turn it=
into a non-idiomatic idea first. I'm thinking lI'be' tlhIngan Hol ghojtaHg=
hachwIj vIneHbe' I don't want my ongoing learning of Klingon to be useless.
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">Consider breaking up the long English s=
entence into two shorter Klingon sentences. Here’s some vocabul=
ary and examples to play with:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">lo'Ha'</span></b><span style=3D"font=
-family:Courier"> waste (v)<i>
<br>
</i><br>
<b>HoS lI' Dalo'Ha'chu'</b> <br>
You are a total waste of good energy! PK</span><b><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
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<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">lo'laHbe'</span></b><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:Courier"> be worthless (v)<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
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<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><br>
vIlo'laHbe'</span></b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"> <br>
They are useless to me. I cannot use them. TKD<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><br>
<b>leghlaHchu'be'chugh mIn lo'laHbe' taj jej</b> <br>
A sharp knife is nothing without a sharp eye. TKW<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"> lo'laHbe'</span></b><span sty=
le=3D"font-family:Courier">;<b> chetvI' chIm rur</b>
<br>
worthless as an empty torpedo tube KGT</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0p=
t;font-family:Courier;color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
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<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">lo'laHbe'ghach</span></b><span style=
=3D"font-family:Courier"> worthlessness (n)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">lI' &n=
bsp; </span></b><span=
style=3D"font-family:Courier">be useful (v)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
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<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"> Qu'vaD lI' net tu'bej</span><=
/b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">
<br>
One certainly finds it useful for the mission. <br>
One will certainly observe that it is useful<br>
to the mission. TKD<br>
<br>
<b><o:p></o:p></b></span></p>
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<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"> Qu'vaD lI' De'vam</span></b><=
span style=3D"font-family:Courier">
<br>
This information is useful for the mission. TKD<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ght:12.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly">
<span style=3D"font-family:Courier"> <b>HoS lI' Dalo'Ha'chu' <br>
</b>You are a total waste of good energy! PK<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ght:12.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly">
<span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><br>
<b>lI' 'e' Datu'</b> <br>
You will find it useful. PK<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ght:12.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly">
<span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><br>
<b>lI'qu' tlhIngan may' taj <br>
</b>The Klingon battle knife is designed primarily for<br>
versatility of use. SP2<br>
<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;text-indent:-.2in;line-hei=
ght:12.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly">
<b><span style=3D"color:#C00000">bIDaqchu' 'ej jagh De' =
lI' DaSuq</span> <br>
</b>Intercept useful enemy information. MKE<b><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Courier"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;text-indent:-.2in;line-hei=
ght:12.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly">
<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;text-indent:-.2in;line-hei=
ght:12.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly">
<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">lI'be'</span></b><span style=3D"font=
-family:Courier"> be useless<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;text-indent:-.2in;line-hei=
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<span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"> wa'maH yIHmey lI'be' <br>
</span></b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">ten useless tribbles<b> </b>=
CK<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">__<br>
Voragh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
sans-serif;color:windowtext">SuStel<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 5/18/2017 6:28 AM, Rebecca Krause wrote:<o:p></o:=
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jIQochbe'. paghmeH tlhIngan Hol vIghojtaH vIneHbe'.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">If you see errors I w=
ould be happy to be corrected; I'm a learner... thank you What I was trying=
to say with each sentence was:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">"I agree. I don't want to be learning Klingon f=
or nothing."<o:p></o:p></p>
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</blockquote>
<p><b>-meH</b> is a verb suffix; you can't put it on nouns. The English idi=
om <i>
for nothing</i> isn't something you can translate quite so easily; you have=
to turn it into a non-idiomatic idea first. I'm thinking
<b>lI'be' tlhIngan Hol ghojtaHghachwIj vIneHbe'</b><i> I don't want my ongo=
ing learning of Klingon to be useless.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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