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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] mu' chu' chabal tetlh!
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Tue Mar 21 14:44:00 2017
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For "sail" I've always used *{joqwI''a'} - a MUCH bigger version of a {joqw=
I'} "flab, banner".
(Lieven < MO, 1/09/2012): {tlhIm} is commonly used for a fabric wall hangi=
ng (that might, for example, have a picture of the Klingon emblem on it). I=
f a piece of cloth is displayed at the end of a pole, it is considered a {j=
oqwI'} ("flag"); a {tlhIm} covers some sort of surface.
I don't know if this covers things hanging down from a horizontal pole or o=
ut from a diagonal pole. His point here seems to be that {joqwI'} are not =
hung on a wall. Okrand has related {joq} with sails:
(HQ 10.4): when a banner or sail flaps, the correct word to use is {joq} "=
flap, flutter, wave."
As for "beyond", I posted a relevant line from the paq'batlh today in anoth=
er thread:
Sepvetlh latlh DopDaq Hatlh lengtaHvIS qeylIS
On the other side of the land, Kahless traveled the lands (PB)
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Voragh
On Behalf Of Jeremy Silver (mupwI')
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:57 PM
sail (n)
[....]
Do we have a usual way of expressing the concept of "beyond" like:
On the other side of the mountain, there is a prison kind of thing?
or Past the crossroads someone did something?
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">For “sail” I’ve alway=
s used *{joqwI''a'} – a MUCH bigger version of a {joqwI’} ̶=
0;flab, banner”.
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">(Lieven < MO, 1/09/2012): {tlh=
Im} is commonly used for a fabric wall hanging (that might, for example, ha=
ve a picture of the Klingon emblem on it). If a piece
of cloth is displayed at the end of a pole, it is considered a {joqwI'} (&=
quot;flag"); a {tlhIm} covers some sort of surface.<br>
<br>
I don’t know if this covers things hanging down from a horizontal pol=
e or out from a diagonal pole. His point here seems to be that {joqwI=
’} are not hung on a wall. Okrand has related {joq} with sails:=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">(HQ 10.4): when a banner or sail =
flaps, the correct word to use is {joq} “flap, flutter, wave."<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
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ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">As for “beyond”, I posted a=
relevant line from the paq’batlh today in another thread:<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
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ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> Sepvetlh latlh DopDaq Hatlh leng=
taHvIS qeylIS
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> On the other side of the la=
nd, Kahless traveled the lands (PB)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">--<br>
Voragh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
;Calibri",sans-serif">On Behalf Of
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
sans-serif">Jeremy Silver (mupwI’)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:57 PM<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style=3D"margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style=3D"font-size:15.0=
pt;font-family:"Liberation Serif",serif">sail (n)<b><i><span styl=
e=3D"color:#44546A">
</span></i></b><span style=3D"color:#44546A"><br>
<b><i> </i></b>[….]</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;-qt-block-indent:0;-qt-user-st=
ate:0"><span style=3D"font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Serif&q=
uot;,serif">Do we have a usual way of expressing the concept of "beyon=
d" like:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;-qt-block-indent:0;-qt-user-st=
ate:0"><span style=3D"font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Serif&q=
uot;,serif">On the other side of the mountain, there is a prison kind of th=
ing?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;-qt-block-indent:0;-qt-user-st=
ate:0"><span style=3D"font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"Liberation Serif&q=
uot;,serif">or Past the crossroads someone did something?<o:p></o:p></span>=
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