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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] KLBC - How to say "I like to do/doing something"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (MorphemeAddict)
Sun Feb 12 17:09:17 2017
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Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2017 23:08:42 +0100
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How about using a noun derived from a verb (by adding -ghach, e.g.) as the
object? It involves deciding which other suffix(es) to use so that it
doesn't sound odd.
lay'tel SIvten
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
> Okay, since others have broken the KLBC-barrier already, and our current
> BG may be at shore leave, I'll answer this:
>
> Am 09.02.2017 um 13:31 schrieb Aur=C3=A9lie Demonchaux:
>
>> We have some examples of <par> and <parHa'> being used with nouns or
>> pronouns but I can't find any canon source where they apply to verbs.
>>
>> Do you use {'e'} or nothing in those cases?
>>
>
> I will not go into alternatives like {tIv} "enjoy", but simple answer
> the question grammatically:
>
> The verb {neH} is the only exception for omitting {'e'}. This means that
> it is correct to say
>
> {jIvut 'e' vIparHa'} "I like that I cook."
>
> Yes, indeed you may think that this literally means "I do like the fact
> that I am cooking at this moment", but there is no "special" construction
> to express the common feeling of "I like surfing in general". It's the
> English that's strange, not the Klingon.
>
>
> --
> Lieven L. Litaer
> aka Quvar valer 'utlh
> Grammarian of the KLI
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier =
new,monospace">How about using a noun derived from a verb (by adding -ghach=
, e.g.) as the object? It involves deciding which other suffix(es) to use s=
o that it doesn't sound odd.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace">lay'tel SIvten</div><=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb =
9, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Lieven <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:levinius=
@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">levinius@gmx.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex">Okay, since others have broken the KLBC-barrier alr=
eady, and our current BG may be at shore leave, I'll answer this:<span =
class=3D""><br>
<br>
Am 09.02.2017 um 13:31 schrieb Aur=C3=A9lie Demonchaux:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
We have some examples of <par> and <parHa'> being used with=
nouns or<br>
pronouns but I can't find any canon source where they apply to verbs.<b=
r>
<br>
Do you use {'e'} or nothing in those cases?<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
I will not go into alternatives like {tIv} "enjoy", but simple an=
swer<br>
the question grammatically:<br>
<br>
The verb {neH} is the only exception for omitting {'e'}. This means=
that it is correct to say<br>
<br>
{jIvut 'e' vIparHa'} "I like that I cook."<br>
<br>
Yes, indeed you may think that this literally means "I do like the fac=
t that I am cooking at this moment", but there is no "special&quo=
t; construction to express the common feeling of "I like surfing in ge=
neral". It's the English that's strange, not the Klingon.<span=
class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Lieven L. Litaer<br>
aka Quvar valer 'utlh<br>
Grammarian of the KLI<br>
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t=3D"_blank">http://www.facebook.com/Klingo<wbr>nteacher</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.klingonwiki.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://www.klingonwiki.net</a></font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div cla=
ss=3D"h5"><br>
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