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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Quvar, QISmaS cake Davutta''a'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Sat Dec 31 11:53:29 2016
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On 12/31/2016 11:21 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
> however, there is a major difference between the {-'a'} and
> punctuation in general.
>
> if you are reading a sentence which contains a verb bearing the
> {-'a'}, or a sentence starting with any question word, there is no way
> you can't realize instantly that it is a question.
>
> but if you are trying to read a passage with no commas and periods,
> then good luck, especially in klingon.
>
> one of the reasons I refuse to read paq'batlh is exactly this lack of
> punctuation. the problem isn't the lack of question marks; its having
> to be a psychic in order to understand where everything starts and stops.
>
> whenever voragh quotes the paq'batlh, and I am trying to read just a
> few sentences, I feel like smashing my phone against the wall.
>
> I can't help but hear myself saying "how the f*** am I supposed to
> understand this" ?
"There is a major difference"
"Is there a major difference"
In English, there is a major difference between the same sentence in
indicative and interrogative moods, as I have just illustrated. You can
tell which is a statement and which is a question. So why do we have the
question mark? Why do some languages use the question mark twice, once
at the beginning and once at the end?
So basically, we're asking why you won't follow the conventions of
punctuation that society has agreed upon for a long time. I find your
English-language text more difficult to read than someone else's,
because you don't capitalize so it's hard to find the beginnings of
sentences; you put spaces before your end-of-sentence punctuation which
makes it hard to find the ends of sentences; you don't use apostrophes
consistently so it's hard to tell the difference between /its/ and /it's.
/
I've seen worse on the Internet:
I once knew someone
who put line breaks
throughout his words
like this
because
he thought
it made things easier
to read.
Everyone yelled at him
and told him
it was actually harder to read
written this way.
He didn't believe them
and kept on doing it
because he was convinced
his way was better
than what they had learned.
Whether or not
it was better
nobody else
could read it easily
because they hadn't been taught
to read
like this.
OR WHY DON'T WE STICK TO ONE TYPEFACE? WHY DO WE MIX MAJUSCULES AND
MINUSCULES WHEN ONE SIZE OF LETTERS WILL DO? it's because over the
centuries we have found minuscule lettering is easier to read in large
blocks, but majuscule lettering works better for emphasis, and
emphasizing certain words in sentences by capitalizing them.
I don't know the reason they chose to present /paq'batlh/ without
punctuation. It probably has something to do with trying to recreate a
spoken song rather than a prose text; you don't usually speak
punctuation unless you're Victor Borge.
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SuStel
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/31/2016 11:21 AM, mayqel qunenoS
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAP7F2cLH3VM+LNTEG56dojon=wHw6QO+w1Pdo_zbEjS1bugJ=A@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">however, there is a major difference between the
{-'a'} and punctuation in general.
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">if you are reading a sentence which contains a
verb bearing the {-'a'}, or a sentence starting with any
question word, there is no way you can't realize instantly that
it is a question.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">but if you are trying to read a passage with no
commas and periods, then good luck, especially in klingon.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">one of the reasons I refuse to read paq'batlh is
exactly this lack of punctuation. the problem isn't the lack of
question marks; its having to be a psychic in order to
understand where everything starts and stops.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">whenever voragh quotes the paq'batlh, and I am
trying to read just a few sentences, I feel like smashing my
phone against the wall.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">I can't help but hear myself saying "how the f***
am I supposed to understand this" ?</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p>"There is a major difference"<br>
"Is there a major difference"</p>
<p>In English, there is a major difference between the same sentence
in indicative and interrogative moods, as I have just illustrated.
You can tell which is a statement and which is a question. So why
do we have the question mark? Why do some languages use the
question mark twice, once at the beginning and once at the end?<br>
</p>
<p>So basically, we're asking why you won't follow the conventions
of punctuation that society has agreed upon for a long time. I
find your English-language text more difficult to read than
someone else's, because you don't capitalize so it's hard to find
the beginnings of sentences; you put spaces before your
end-of-sentence punctuation which makes it hard to find the ends
of sentences; you don't use apostrophes consistently so it's hard
to tell the difference between <i>its</i> and <i>it's.<br>
</i></p>
<p>I've seen worse on the Internet:</p>
<p>I once knew someone<br>
who put line breaks<br>
throughout his words<br>
like this<br>
because<br>
he thought<br>
it made things easier<br>
to read.<br>
Everyone yelled at him<br>
and told him<br>
it was actually harder to read<br>
written this way.<br>
He didn't believe them<br>
and kept on doing it<br>
because he was convinced<br>
his way was better<br>
than what they had learned.<br>
Whether or not<br>
it was better<br>
nobody else<br>
could read it easily<br>
because they hadn't been taught<br>
to read<br>
like this.</p>
<p>OR WHY DON'T WE STICK TO ONE TYPEFACE? WHY DO WE MIX MAJUSCULES
AND MINUSCULES WHEN ONE SIZE OF LETTERS WILL DO? it's because over
the centuries we have found minuscule lettering is easier to read
in large blocks, but majuscule lettering works better for
emphasis, and emphasizing certain words in sentences by
capitalizing them.</p>
<p>I don't know the reason they chose to present <i>paq'batlh</i>
without punctuation. It probably has something to do with trying
to recreate a spoken song rather than a prose text; you don't
usually speak punctuation unless you're Victor Borge.<br>
</p>
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