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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] mutpu' or mutmey ?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Thu Dec 29 10:13:25 2016
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qunnoH, look at other words for groups of people and how possessive suffixe=
s (WRT capability of using language) are used with them:
qorDu'wIj quvmo' jImaghpu' qorDu'wIj quvqa'moHlu'meH jIvang vIneH
The reason of my betrayal was my family honor, I want to restore this honor=
. (PB)
NB: {qorDu'wIj} not *{qorDu'wI'} - both times.
pInaDqu' tuqlIj wInaDqu' je
Glory to you and your house.
("We praise you highly; we also praise your house highly.") KGT
NB: {tuqlIj} not *{tuqlI'}.
Qo'noS tuqmey muvchuqmoH qeylIS
Kahless united the tribes of Kronos (PB)
NB: {tuqmey} not *{tuqpu'}.
qeylIS loDnI' 'opleS chovan tuqmaj vIDevmo'
One day, brother Kahless, you will bow before me as leader of our house. PB
NB: {tuqmaj} not *{tuqma'}.
jaghpu'ra' bopujmoHtaHvIS, ghur tuqmeyraj quv.
Honor will rise in your houses as you bring your enemies to their knees. MK=
E
NB: {tuqmeyraj} not *{tuqpu'ra'} - two such suffixes (a "twofer").
--Voragh
On 12/29/2016 9:43 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
if we are talking about 10 species of aliens, all capable of speech, then d=
o we say {Hoch mutpu' vISov} or {Hoch mutmey vISov} ?
A mut is not a thing capable of using language. Its members are, but it is =
not. It is an abstraction.
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">qunnoH, look at other words for groups =
of people and how possessive suffixes (WRT capability of using language) ar=
e used with them:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">qorDu'wIj quvmo' jImaghpu' qorDu'wIj qu=
vqa'moHlu'meH jIvang vIneH
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">The reason of my betrayal was my family=
honor, I want to restore this honor. (PB)<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> NB: {qorDu’wIj} not =
*{qorDu’wI’} – both times.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">pInaDqu' tuqlIj wInaDqu' je
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">Glory to you and your house.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">("We praise you highly; we also pr=
aise your house highly.") KGT<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> NB: {tuqlIj} not *{tuqlI&#=
8217;}.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">Qo'noS tuqmey muvchuqmoH qeylIS
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">Kahless united the tribes of Kronos (PB=
)<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> NB: {tuqmey} not *{tuqpu&#=
8217;}.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">qeylIS loDnI' 'opleS chovan tuqmaj vIDe=
vmo'
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">One day, brother Kahless, you will bow =
before me as leader of our house. PB<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> NB: {tuqmaj} not *{tuqma&#=
8217;}.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">jaghpu'ra' bopujmoHtaHvIS, ghur tuqmeyr=
aj quv.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">Honor will rise in your houses as you b=
ring your enemies to their knees. MKE<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"> NB: {tuqmeyraj} not *{tuqp=
u’ra’} – two such suffixes (a “twofer”)=
.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">--Voragh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 12/29/2016 9:43 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:<o:p></o=
:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">if we are talking about 10 species of aliens, all ca=
pable of speech, then do we say {Hoch mutpu' vISov} or {Hoch mutmey vISov} =
?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>A <b>mut</b> is not a thing capable of using language. Its members are, =
but it is not. It is an abstraction.<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>SuStel<o:p></o:p></pre>
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