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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] to qaStaHvIS or not to qaStaHvIS
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Alan Anderson)
Wed Dec 28 11:57:10 2016
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From: Alan Anderson <qunchuy@alcaco.net>
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 11:56:44 -0500
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On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 9:51 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> ok, I understand the difference between a time span and a time stamp.
>
You have not yet demonstrated your understanding. The distinction is in the
word "span" -- it represents a measured period of time, with a beginning an
an end. In contrast, a "stamp" is like a finger pointing to a spot on a
calendar, or on a clock, indicating a specific time. It isn't necessarily
an instantaneous *moment*, but it doesn't count the passage of time.
> so, applying this distinction in the {qaStaHvIS} discussion, I understand
> that:
>
> "..when we are using time stamps, the {qaStaHvIS} may or may not be used,
> depending on the occasion. but when we are using time periods, then the
> {qaStaHvIS} is absolutely necessary.."
>
> would you agree with the above ?
>
I do not agree. As soon as you say {qaStaH}, you're making the phrase talk
about a duration. It's no longer acting as a time stamp.
> and something else. since {DIS vorgh} is a time stamp, would you agree
> with {Soch DIS vorgh jIQuch} for "the previous 7 years I was happy" ?
>
I do not agree. The English would usually be "during the previous 7 years".
If you are trying to say something else, it is not apparent. You seem to be
wanting to focus on a seven year span. That needs a verb to represent the
passing of time, and the usual one is {qaStaHvIS}.
-- ghunchu'wI'
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On W=
ed, Dec 28, 2016 at 9:51 AM, mayqel qunenoS <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></=
span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">ok, I unde=
rstand the difference between a time span and a time stamp.</div></blockquo=
te><div><br></div><div>You have not yet demonstrated your understanding. Th=
e distinction is in the word "span" -- it represents a measured p=
eriod of time, with a beginning an an end. In contrast, a "stamp"=
is like a finger pointing to a spot on a calendar, or on a clock, indicati=
ng a specific time. It isn't necessarily an instantaneous *moment*, but=
it doesn't count the passage of time.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto">so, applying this =
distinction in the {qaStaHvIS} discussion, I understand that:</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">"..when we are using time stamps=
, the {qaStaHvIS} may or may not be used, depending on the occasion. but wh=
en we are using time periods, then the {qaStaHvIS} is absolutely necessary.=
."</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">would you agree =
with the above ?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I do not agree=
. As soon as you say {qaStaH}, you're making the phrase talk about a du=
ration. It's no longer acting as a time stamp.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto">and someth=
ing else. since {DIS vorgh} is a time stamp, would you agree with {Soch DIS=
vorgh jIQuch} for "the previous 7 years I was happy" ?<br></div>=
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I do not agree. The English would us=
ually be "during the previous 7 years". If you are trying to say =
something else, it is not apparent. You seem to be wanting to focus on a se=
ven year span. That needs a verb to represent the passing of time, and the =
usual one is {qaStaHvIS}.<br><br>-- ghunchu'wI'</div></div></div></=
div>
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