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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] KLBC : Sentences as objects
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qunnoQ HoD)
Wed Nov 18 15:34:46 2015
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 22:34:25 +0200
From: qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com>
To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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Hoch jangmo' Savan. wa'leS QInmeyraj vIHaD. DaH jIQongnIS
On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:29 PM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hoch jangmo' Savan. wa'leS QInmeyraj vIHaD. DaH jIQongnIS.
>
> qunnoQ
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I=E2=80=99ve proven many times the poor quality of my memory, particular=
ly when
>> relating to the questions =E2=80=9Cwho, what, when, where=E2=80=9D, thou=
gh I tend to better
>> remember =E2=80=9Chow=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cwhy=E2=80=9D. I don=E2=80=99=
t have your phonographic memory.
>>
>> What I remember about the interview was that we tried to avoid talking
>> much about the language before or after the interview specifically to av=
oid
>> the situation that we seem to be in right now. We both wanted everything
>> said to be in the interview, available to the most people and not some k=
ind
>> of insider info. I didn=E2=80=99t want to come out of the rare opportuni=
ty of
>> talking with him with any information that didn=E2=80=99t get shared in =
HolQeD.
>>
>> That I said, =E2=80=9CAnd a typical direct object of {ja=E2=80=99} would=
be the person
>> addressed and a typical object of the verb {jatlh} would be the thing yo=
u
>> say,=E2=80=9D suggests that either he had told me about this earlier in =
the
>> interview or before the interview, as I suspect, or, as you suggest, I m=
ade
>> it up and tried to get him to ascribe to my theory. That was not my goal=
,
>> though this was a lot of years ago. Maybe I was that pushy and shallow
>> then, but I doubt it.
>>
>> I don=E2=80=99t think I did a lot of leading the witness in the intervie=
w. I
>> tried hard not to. More than that, I tried to bring up points that he wo=
uld
>> either accept, reject, or better explain.
>>
>> I don=E2=80=99t have the interview with me just now. Let me look at it a=
gain and
>> see if I can be more specific, though I trust that you=E2=80=99ve alread=
y been
>> through it and there=E2=80=99s probably nothing to find.
>>
>> What I do remember was being taken aback by the statement that the two
>> verbs were different in nature. It prompted me to ask if there were a
>> similar difference in the verbs for asking...
>>
>> pItlh
>> lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2015, at 2:11 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
>>
>> On 11/18/2015 2:01 PM, Will Martin wrote:
>>
>> He said that the direct object of {ja=E2=80=99} was the person or person=
s
>> being addressed, hence {ja=E2=80=99chuq} being translated as =E2=80=9Cdi=
scuss=E2=80=9D
>> because it involves people telling each other something.
>>
>>
>> If he ever said this, it never entered the canon. Was this something he
>> said to you personally, or was it part of an interview or a published
>> source? I remember in your HolQeD interview with him on the topic YOU ma=
de
>> this claim to HIM, but he didn't say anything about it.
>>
>> =3D=3D
>> WM: Are there any other verbs of speech that you would care to
>> comment on?
>>
>> MO: Are there any other verbs of speech?
>>
>> WM: And a typical direct object of {ja'} would be the person addressed
>> and a typical object of the verb {jatlh} would be the thing you say.
>>
>> MO: The speech event.
>>
>> WM: I like that term.
>>
>> MO: Including a direct quote. I'm telling a story. He "blah, blah, blah"
>> {jatlh}.
>>
>> --
>> SuStel
>> http://trimboli.name
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hoch jangmo' Savan. wa'leS QInmeyraj vIHaD. DaH jI=
QongnIS</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On W=
ed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:29 PM, qunnoQ HoD <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"m=
ailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></span>=
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor=
der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hoch jangmo=
' Savan. wa'leS QInmeyraj vIHaD. DaH jIQongnIS.<span class=3D"HOEnZ=
b"><font color=3D"#888888"><br><br></font></span></div><span class=3D"HOEnZ=
b"><font color=3D"#888888">qunnoQ<br></font></span></div><div class=3D"HOEn=
Zb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote">On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Will Martin <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a =
href=3D"mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lojmitti7wi7nuv=
@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div sty=
le=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>I=E2=80=99ve proven many times the poor qu=
ality of my memory, particularly when relating to the questions =E2=80=9Cwh=
o, what, when, where=E2=80=9D, though I tend to better remember =E2=80=9Cho=
w=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cwhy=E2=80=9D. I don=E2=80=99t have your phonographi=
c memory.</div><div><br></div><div>What I remember about the interview was =
that we tried to avoid talking much about the language before or after the =
interview specifically to avoid the situation that we seem to be in right n=
ow. We both wanted everything said to be in the interview, available to the=
most people and not some kind of insider info. I didn=E2=80=99t want to co=
me out of the rare opportunity of talking with him with any information tha=
t didn=E2=80=99t get shared in HolQeD.</div><div><br></div><div>That I said=
, =E2=80=9CAnd a typical direct object of {ja=E2=80=99} would be the person=
addressed and a typical object of the verb {jatlh} would be the thing you =
say,=E2=80=9D suggests that either he had told me about this earlier in the=
interview or before the interview, as I suspect, or, as you suggest, I mad=
e it up and tried to get him to ascribe to my theory. That was not my goal,=
though this was a lot of years ago. Maybe I was that pushy and shallow the=
n, but I doubt it.</div><div><br></div><div>I don=E2=80=99t think I did a l=
ot of leading the witness in the interview. I tried hard not to. More than =
that, I tried to bring up points that he would either accept, reject, or be=
tter explain.</div><div><br></div><div>I don=E2=80=99t have the interview w=
ith me just now. Let me look at it again and see if I can be more specific,=
though I trust that you=E2=80=99ve already been through it and there=E2=80=
=99s probably nothing to find.</div><div><br></div><div>What I do remember =
was being taken aback by the statement that the two verbs were different in=
nature. It prompted me to ask if there were a similar difference in the ve=
rbs for asking...</div><span><br><div>
<span style=3D"border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvet=
ica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing=
:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-tra=
nsform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div>pItlh</div><div>lojmI=
t tI'wI'nuv</div><div><br></div></span><br>
</div>
<br></span><div><div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Nov 18, 2015, a=
t 2:11 PM, SuStel <<a href=3D"mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" target=3D"_bl=
ank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:</div><br><div>On 11/18/2015 2:01 P=
M, Will Martin wrote:<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">He said that the direct =
object of {ja=E2=80=99} was the person or persons<br>being addressed, hence=
{ja=E2=80=99chuq} being translated as =E2=80=9Cdiscuss=E2=80=9D<br>because=
it involves people telling each other something.<br></blockquote><br>If he=
ever said this, it never entered the canon. Was this something he said to =
you personally, or was it part of an interview or a published source? I rem=
ember in your HolQeD interview with him on the topic YOU made this claim to=
HIM, but he didn't say anything about it.<br><br>=3D=3D<br>WM: Are the=
re any other verbs of speech that you would care to<br> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0c=
omment on?<br><br>MO: Are there any other verbs of speech?<br><br>WM: And a=
typical direct object of {ja'} would be the person addressed and a typ=
ical object of the verb {jatlh} would be the thing you say.<br><br>MO: The =
speech event.<br><br>WM: I like that term.<br><br>MO: Including a direct qu=
ote. I'm telling a story. He "blah, blah, blah" {jatlh}.<br><=
br>-- <br>SuStel<br><a href=3D"http://trimboli.name" target=3D"_blank">http=
://trimboli.name</a><br><br><br>___________________________________________=
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