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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: tlhutlh
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qurgh lungqIj)
Wed Nov 18 15:31:29 2015
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From: qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 15:30:52 -0500
To: Alan Anderson <qunchuy@alcaco.net>
Cc: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Alan Anderson <qunchuy@alcaco.net> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 2:11 PM, qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net> wrote:
> > So something like this would be fine?
> >
> > nujwIjDaq HIvje'vo' HIq vIqang
> > I pour the alcohol (away) from the cup to my mouth (To my mouth, away
> from
> > the cup, I pour the alcohol)
>
> I'd accept that, but just barely. In KGT, {qang} is said to mean "pour
> into", which to me seems to imply transfer from one container to
> another. The related term {lIch} (approximately "pour out") might be
> more appropriate.
>
>
So it would be better split into two clauses to accurately describe pouring
a liquid from one container to another?
HIvje'vo' HIq vIlIchtaHvIS nujwIjDaq vIqang
While I pour out the ale away from the cup, I pour it in to my mouth
> By the way, KGT also uses the phrase "...drink...from the {bal}",
> giving at least a little support for {HIvje'vo' tlhutlh}.
>
Thanks. I re-read this section. It's unfortunate that MO doesn't include an
example of how to say "I drink directly from the {bal}".
Looking at it from the other direction, if {puchDaq HIq vI'em} would be
acceptable then I guess {puchvo' bIQ tlhutlh targh} would be too since they
are both describing actions moving around instead of locations (although
the first example could be confused for "In the toilet, I vomit ale").
qurgh
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On W=
ed, Nov 18, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Alan Anderson <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D=
"mailto:qunchuy@alcaco.net" target=3D"_blank">qunchuy@alcaco.net</a>></s=
pan> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">On Wed, Nov =
18, 2015 at 2:11 PM, qurgh lungqIj <<a href=3D"mailto:qurgh@wizage.net">=
qurgh@wizage.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> So something like this would be fine?<br>
><br>
> nujwIjDaq HIvje'vo' HIq vIqang<br>
> I pour the alcohol (away) from the cup to my mouth (To my mouth, away =
from<br>
> the cup, I pour the alcohol)<br>
<br>
</span>I'd accept that, but just barely. In KGT, {qang} is said to mean=
"pour<br>
into", which to me seems to imply transfer from one container to<br>
another. The related term {lIch} (approximately "pour out") might=
be<br>
more appropriate.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br>So it would be better split into two clauses to a=
ccurately describe pouring a liquid from one container to another?<br><br>H=
Ivje'vo' HIq vIlIchtaHvIS nujwIjDaq vIqang<br>While I pour out the =
ale away from the cup, I pour it in to my mouth<br><br>=C2=A0</div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">
By the way, KGT also uses the phrase "...drink...from the {bal}",=
<br>
giving at least a little support for {HIvje'vo' tlhutlh}.<br></bloc=
kquote><div><br></div><div>Thanks. I re-read this section. It's unfortu=
nate that MO doesn't include an example of how to say "I drink dir=
ectly from the {bal}".=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Looking at it fr=
om the other direction, if {puchDaq HIq vI'em} would be acceptable then=
I guess {puchvo' bIQ tlhutlh targh} would be too since they are both d=
escribing actions moving around instead of locations (although the first ex=
ample could be confused for "In the toilet, I vomit ale").<br><br=
>qurgh<br>=C2=A0</div></div></div></div>
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