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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] KLBC : Sentences as objects
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qunnoQ HoD)
Wed Nov 18 15:29:27 2015
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 22:29:12 +0200
From: qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com>
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Hoch jangmo' Savan. wa'leS QInmeyraj vIHaD. DaH jIQongnIS.
qunnoQ
On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I=E2=80=99ve proven many times the poor quality of my memory, particularl=
y when
> relating to the questions =E2=80=9Cwho, what, when, where=E2=80=9D, thoug=
h I tend to better
> remember =E2=80=9Chow=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cwhy=E2=80=9D. I don=E2=80=99t=
have your phonographic memory.
>
> What I remember about the interview was that we tried to avoid talking
> much about the language before or after the interview specifically to avo=
id
> the situation that we seem to be in right now. We both wanted everything
> said to be in the interview, available to the most people and not some ki=
nd
> of insider info. I didn=E2=80=99t want to come out of the rare opportunit=
y of
> talking with him with any information that didn=E2=80=99t get shared in H=
olQeD.
>
> That I said, =E2=80=9CAnd a typical direct object of {ja=E2=80=99} would =
be the person
> addressed and a typical object of the verb {jatlh} would be the thing you
> say,=E2=80=9D suggests that either he had told me about this earlier in t=
he
> interview or before the interview, as I suspect, or, as you suggest, I ma=
de
> it up and tried to get him to ascribe to my theory. That was not my goal,
> though this was a lot of years ago. Maybe I was that pushy and shallow
> then, but I doubt it.
>
> I don=E2=80=99t think I did a lot of leading the witness in the interview=
. I tried
> hard not to. More than that, I tried to bring up points that he would
> either accept, reject, or better explain.
>
> I don=E2=80=99t have the interview with me just now. Let me look at it ag=
ain and
> see if I can be more specific, though I trust that you=E2=80=99ve already=
been
> through it and there=E2=80=99s probably nothing to find.
>
> What I do remember was being taken aback by the statement that the two
> verbs were different in nature. It prompted me to ask if there were a
> similar difference in the verbs for asking...
>
> pItlh
> lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
>
>
>
> On Nov 18, 2015, at 2:11 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
>
> On 11/18/2015 2:01 PM, Will Martin wrote:
>
> He said that the direct object of {ja=E2=80=99} was the person or persons
> being addressed, hence {ja=E2=80=99chuq} being translated as =E2=80=9Cdis=
cuss=E2=80=9D
> because it involves people telling each other something.
>
>
> If he ever said this, it never entered the canon. Was this something he
> said to you personally, or was it part of an interview or a published
> source? I remember in your HolQeD interview with him on the topic YOU mad=
e
> this claim to HIM, but he didn't say anything about it.
>
> =3D=3D
> WM: Are there any other verbs of speech that you would care to
> comment on?
>
> MO: Are there any other verbs of speech?
>
> WM: And a typical direct object of {ja'} would be the person addressed an=
d
> a typical object of the verb {jatlh} would be the thing you say.
>
> MO: The speech event.
>
> WM: I like that term.
>
> MO: Including a direct quote. I'm telling a story. He "blah, blah, blah"
> {jatlh}.
>
> --
> SuStel
> http://trimboli.name
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hoch jangmo' Savan. wa'leS QInmeyraj vIHaD. D=
aH jIQongnIS.<br><br></div>qunnoQ<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Will Martin <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>I=E2=80=99ve proven =
many times the poor quality of my memory, particularly when relating to the=
questions =E2=80=9Cwho, what, when, where=E2=80=9D, though I tend to bette=
r remember =E2=80=9Chow=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cwhy=E2=80=9D. I don=E2=80=99t=
have your phonographic memory.</div><div><br></div><div>What I remember ab=
out the interview was that we tried to avoid talking much about the languag=
e before or after the interview specifically to avoid the situation that we=
seem to be in right now. We both wanted everything said to be in the inter=
view, available to the most people and not some kind of insider info. I did=
n=E2=80=99t want to come out of the rare opportunity of talking with him wi=
th any information that didn=E2=80=99t get shared in HolQeD.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>That I said, =E2=80=9CAnd a typical direct object of {ja=E2=80=
=99} would be the person addressed and a typical object of the verb {jatlh}=
would be the thing you say,=E2=80=9D suggests that either he had told me a=
bout this earlier in the interview or before the interview, as I suspect, o=
r, as you suggest, I made it up and tried to get him to ascribe to my theor=
y. That was not my goal, though this was a lot of years ago. Maybe I was th=
at pushy and shallow then, but I doubt it.</div><div><br></div><div>I don=
=E2=80=99t think I did a lot of leading the witness in the interview. I tri=
ed hard not to. More than that, I tried to bring up points that he would ei=
ther accept, reject, or better explain.</div><div><br></div><div>I don=E2=
=80=99t have the interview with me just now. Let me look at it again and se=
e if I can be more specific, though I trust that you=E2=80=99ve already bee=
n through it and there=E2=80=99s probably nothing to find.</div><div><br></=
div><div>What I do remember was being taken aback by the statement that the=
two verbs were different in nature. It prompted me to ask if there were a =
similar difference in the verbs for asking...</div><span class=3D""><br><di=
v>
<span style=3D"border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvet=
ica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing=
:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-tra=
nsform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div>pItlh</div><div>lojmI=
t tI'wI'nuv</div><div><br></div></span><br>
</div>
<br></span><div><div class=3D"h5"><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On No=
v 18, 2015, at 2:11 PM, SuStel <<a href=3D"mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" =
target=3D"_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:</div><br><div>On 11/1=
8/2015 2:01 PM, Will Martin wrote:<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">He said tha=
t the direct object of {ja=E2=80=99} was the person or persons<br>being add=
ressed, hence {ja=E2=80=99chuq} being translated as =E2=80=9Cdiscuss=E2=80=
=9D<br>because it involves people telling each other something.<br></blockq=
uote><br>If he ever said this, it never entered the canon. Was this somethi=
ng he said to you personally, or was it part of an interview or a published=
source? I remember in your HolQeD interview with him on the topic YOU made=
this claim to HIM, but he didn't say anything about it.<br><br>=3D=3D<=
br>WM: Are there any other verbs of speech that you would care to<br> =C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0comment on?<br><br>MO: Are there any other verbs of speech?<=
br><br>WM: And a typical direct object of {ja'} would be the person add=
ressed and a typical object of the verb {jatlh} would be the thing you say.=
<br><br>MO: The speech event.<br><br>WM: I like that term.<br><br>MO: Inclu=
ding a direct quote. I'm telling a story. He "blah, blah, blah&quo=
t; {jatlh}.<br><br>-- <br>SuStel<br><a href=3D"http://trimboli.name" target=
=3D"_blank">http://trimboli.name</a><br><br><br>___________________________=
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