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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] How many grammarians ?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Elizabeth Lawrence)
Sun Nov 8 21:33:11 2015
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 21:32:55 -0500
From: Elizabeth Lawrence <elizabeth.lawrence08@gmail.com>
Cc: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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Who would be considered reasonable candidates? The list of speakers I
would consider to be at a strong intermediate level (from interactions at
qep'a', not particularly from the list) would be qurgh, 'arHa', janSIy, and
me, and maybe neb'a'. Is that the level of proficiency that would be
appropriate?
I arrived on the list about when tereS was appointed BG, so I haven't
really seen the role in action, given the paucity of beginners at the time,
and, except for janSIy, I think the others I mentioned arrived on scene
later than I did, so I don't know if people understand if it would be
suitable for them to volunteer, or what exactly they would be volunteering
for.
be''etlh
On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 8:19 PM, Rohan Fenwick <qeslagh@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ghItlhpu' qunnoQ, jatlh:
> > How many grammarians are there/have there ever been ? Not only in this
> > mailing list,but in the entire history of tlhIngan Hol.
>
> In this case, the two are synonymous. The KLI is the only institution
> that's really ever used the title, and the role has essentially revolved
> around this mailing list. lojmIt tI'wI' nuv's explanation is pretty much
> spot-on. There's only ever been one person formally vested with the title
> of Grammarian, I believe, and that's Krankor.
>
> Since then though, the title has become basically an honorary one
> conferred on those who have done a tour as Beginners' Grammarian, or BG (=
a
> role which requires a fair amount of skill with the language going in, an=
d
> which also hones that skill to a very high level). Using this definition =
of
> "Grammarian", in addition to Krankor and Seqram there are 14 such people
> (HoD trI'Qal served twice). The people you see on the mailing list using
> the title {'utlh} are the KLI Grammarians in this broader sense.
>
> ghItlhpu' lojmIt tI'wI' nuv, jatlh:
> > I=E2=80=99m not sure how many BGs there have been. According to the KLI=
Wiki,
> > there have been 15 BGs, but since ter=E2=80=99eS is listed as =E2=80=9C=
(31 December,
> 2005)
> > currently serving=E2=80=9D it looks like the list could use a wee bit o=
f an
> update.
> > There have probably been a few others in the past decade=E2=80=A6 Maybe
> > someone could update the entry?
>
> Actually, no. The number of active beginners, as well as list traffic in
> general, slowed nearly to a stop in 2006 and the BG system kind of
> disintegrated. Not ter'eS's fault - it was just a combination of
> situational factors. So the list, despite looking very dated, is actually
> accurate; there's been no other BG since ter'eS.
>
> It'd be nice to have someone volunteer to formally take up the reins and
> get the role of BG going again, especially given the number of beginners
> we've seen of late, but no-one who hasn't already served seems willing to
> take it on, which is a real shame. Serving twice isn't out of the questio=
n
> for an old hand, but it's less than ideal - in many ways, the BG position
> is as much about the BG taking their skill to the next level as it is abo=
ut
> teaching Klingon newbies.
>
> QeS 'utlh
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Who would be considered reasonable candidates?=C2=A0 The l=
ist of speakers I would consider to be at a strong intermediate level (from=
interactions at qep'a', not particularly from the list) would be q=
urgh, 'arHa', janSIy, and me, and maybe neb'a'.=C2=A0 Is th=
at the level of proficiency that would be appropriate?<div><br></div><div>I=
arrived on the list about when tereS was appointed BG, so I haven't re=
ally seen the role in action, given the paucity of beginners at the time, a=
nd, except for janSIy, I think the others I mentioned arrived on scene late=
r than I did, so I don't know if people understand if it would be suita=
ble for them to volunteer, or what exactly they would be volunteering for.<=
/div><div><br></div><div>be''etlh</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_ex=
tra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 8:19 PM, Rohan F=
enwick <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:qeslagh@hotmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">qeslagh@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">
<div><div dir=3D"ltr">ghItlhpu' qunnoQ, jatlh:<span class=3D""><br>>=
How many grammarians are there/have there ever been ? Not only in this<br>=
> mailing list,but in the entire history of tlhIngan Hol.<br><br></span>=
In this case, the two are synonymous. The KLI is the only institution that&=
#39;s really ever used the title, and the role has essentially revolved aro=
und this mailing list. lojmIt tI'wI' nuv's explanation is prett=
y much spot-on. There's only ever been one person formally vested with =
the title of Grammarian, I believe, and that's Krankor.<br><br>Since th=
en though, the title has become basically an honorary one conferred on thos=
e who have done a tour as Beginners' Grammarian, or BG (a role which re=
quires a fair amount of skill with the language going in, and which also ho=
nes that skill to a very high level). Using this definition of "Gramma=
rian", in addition to Krankor and Seqram there are 14 such people (HoD=
trI'Qal served twice). The people you see on the mailing list using th=
e title {'utlh} are the KLI Grammarians in this broader sense.<br><br>g=
hItlhpu' lojmIt tI'wI' nuv, jatlh:<span class=3D""><br>> I=
=E2=80=99m not sure how many BGs there have been. According to the KLI Wiki=
,<br>> there have been 15 BGs, but since ter=E2=80=99eS is listed as =E2=
=80=9C(31 December, 2005)<br>> currently serving=E2=80=9D it looks like =
the list could use a wee bit of an update.<br>> There have probably been=
a few others in the past decade=E2=80=A6 Maybe<br>> someone could updat=
e the entry?<br><br></span>Actually, no. The number of active beginners, as=
well as list traffic in general, slowed nearly to a stop in 2006 and the B=
G system kind of disintegrated. Not ter'eS's fault - it was just a =
combination of situational factors. So the list, despite looking very dated=
, is actually accurate; there's been no other BG since ter'eS.<br><=
br>It'd be nice to have someone volunteer to formally take up the reins=
and get the role of BG going again, especially given the number of beginne=
rs we've seen of late, but no-one who hasn't already served seems w=
illing to take it on, which is a real shame. Serving twice isn't out of=
the question for an old hand, but it's less than ideal - in many ways,=
the BG position is as much about the BG taking their skill to the next lev=
el as it is about teaching Klingon newbies.<br><br>QeS 'utlh<br> =
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