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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] How many grammarians ?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rohan Fenwick)
Sun Nov 8 20:19:27 2015
From: Rohan Fenwick <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 11:19:09 +1000
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ghItlhpu' qunnoQ=2C jatlh:
> How many grammarians are there/have there ever been ? Not only in this
> mailing list=2Cbut in the entire history of tlhIngan Hol.
In this case=2C the two are synonymous. The KLI is the only institution tha=
t's really ever used the title=2C and the role has essentially revolved aro=
und this mailing list. lojmIt tI'wI' nuv's explanation is pretty much spot-=
on. There's only ever been one person formally vested with the title of Gra=
mmarian=2C I believe=2C and that's Krankor.
Since then though=2C the title has become basically an honorary one conferr=
ed on those who have done a tour as Beginners' Grammarian=2C or BG (a role =
which requires a fair amount of skill with the language going in=2C and whi=
ch also hones that skill to a very high level). Using this definition of "G=
rammarian"=2C in addition to Krankor and Seqram there are 14 such people (H=
oD trI'Qal served twice). The people you see on the mailing list using the =
title {'utlh} are the KLI Grammarians in this broader sense.
ghItlhpu' lojmIt tI'wI' nuv=2C jatlh:
> I=92m not sure how many BGs there have been. According to the KLI Wiki=2C
> there have been 15 BGs=2C but since ter=92eS is listed as =93(31 December=
=2C 2005)
> currently serving=94 it looks like the list could use a wee bit of an upd=
ate.
> There have probably been a few others in the past decade=85 Maybe
> someone could update the entry?
Actually=2C no. The number of active beginners=2C as well as list traffic i=
n general=2C slowed nearly to a stop in 2006 and the BG system kind of disi=
ntegrated. Not ter'eS's fault - it was just a combination of situational fa=
ctors. So the list=2C despite looking very dated=2C is actually accurate=3B=
there's been no other BG since ter'eS.
It'd be nice to have someone volunteer to formally take up the reins and ge=
t the role of BG going again=2C especially given the number of beginners we=
've seen of late=2C but no-one who hasn't already served seems willing to t=
ake it on=2C which is a real shame. Serving twice isn't out of the question=
for an old hand=2C but it's less than ideal - in many ways=2C the BG posit=
ion is as much about the BG taking their skill to the next level as it is a=
bout teaching Klingon newbies.
QeS 'utlh
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<body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>ghItlhpu' qunnoQ=2C jatlh:<br>&g=
t=3B How many grammarians are there/have there ever been ? Not only in this=
<br>>=3B mailing list=2Cbut in the entire history of tlhIngan Hol.<br><br=
>In this case=2C the two are synonymous. The KLI is the only institution th=
at's really ever used the title=2C and the role has essentially revolved ar=
ound this mailing list. lojmIt tI'wI' nuv's explanation is pretty much spot=
-on. There's only ever been one person formally vested with the title of Gr=
ammarian=2C I believe=2C and that's Krankor.<br><br>Since then though=2C th=
e title has become basically an honorary one conferred on those who have do=
ne a tour as Beginners' Grammarian=2C or BG (a role which requires a fair a=
mount of skill with the language going in=2C and which also hones that skil=
l to a very high level). Using this definition of "Grammarian"=2C in additi=
on to Krankor and Seqram there are 14 such people (HoD trI'Qal served twice=
). The people you see on the mailing list using the title {'utlh} are the K=
LI Grammarians in this broader sense.<br><br>ghItlhpu' lojmIt tI'wI' nuv=2C=
jatlh:<br>>=3B I=92m not sure how many BGs there have been. According to=
the KLI Wiki=2C<br>>=3B there have been 15 BGs=2C but since ter=92eS is =
listed as =93(31 December=2C 2005)<br>>=3B currently serving=94 it looks =
like the list could use a wee bit of an update.<br>>=3B There have probab=
ly been a few others in the past decade=85 Maybe<br>>=3B someone could up=
date the entry?<br><br>Actually=2C no. The number of active beginners=2C as=
well as list traffic in general=2C slowed nearly to a stop in 2006 and the=
BG system kind of disintegrated. Not ter'eS's fault - it was just a combin=
ation of situational factors. So the list=2C despite looking very dated=2C =
is actually accurate=3B there's been no other BG since ter'eS.<br><br>It'd =
be nice to have someone volunteer to formally take up the reins and get the=
role of BG going again=2C especially given the number of beginners we've s=
een of late=2C but no-one who hasn't already served seems willing to take i=
t on=2C which is a real shame. Serving twice isn't out of the question for =
an old hand=2C but it's less than ideal - in many ways=2C the BG position i=
s as much about the BG taking their skill to the next level as it is about =
teaching Klingon newbies.<br><br>QeS 'utlh<br> </div></body>
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