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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] roj
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qunnoQ HoD)
Sun Nov 8 08:17:07 2015
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 15:16:53 +0200
From: qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org"
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> Well, I'm not sure this is semantically correct (IANAL)
what is IANAL ?
On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
> Am 08.11.2015 um 01:00 schrieb De'vID:
>
>> What is the difference between "make a joke" and "make a beverage"
>> that makes it unlikely that the first verb takes an object while it is
>> uncontroversial that the second one can?That's what I'm trying to
>> determine.
>>
>
> Well, I'm not sure this is semantically correct (IANAL), so maybe this is
> just a theory. Anyway, since my daughter is being raised bi-lingual with
> German and dutch, I noticed that there are two kinds of "make". Actually,
> these fit to your question:
>
> a) "make" can sometimes be replaced by do; this make is an action. For
> "make a joke" you can also say a verb "joking". "To joke" means to "tell a
> funny story", it's part of the definition.
>
> b) "make" can mean "construct, produce, assemble". When you "make lunch",
> then you prepare food, the result is the lunch. You cannot say "we lunch".
>
> This is indeed very confusing, since languages are not consistent with
> that. A german would do (make?) the mistake and say "I must make my
> homework", but in english it's "do your homework." In dutch and english you
> ask "what are you DOing?" - in German it's "was machst du" (what do you
> make).
>
> So: what do you do? I'm telling a joke. {jIqID}
> What do you make? I'm making some food. {Soj vIvut}
>
> That's somehow what Alan wrote in another message.
>
> That doesn't work always, but that's the reason why I see some words
> working with object and others not.
>
> -------
>
> At the end, we don't know for sure, and as long as one understands the
> intended meaning of a phrase I'll accept anything. We cannot omit each word
> which we do not understand properly.
>
> --
> Lieven L. Litaer
> aka Quvar valer 'utlh
> Grammarian of the KLI
> http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher
> http://www.klingonwiki.net
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>> Well, I'm not sure this is semantically corr=
ect (IANAL)<br><br></div>what is IANAL ?<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra=
"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Lieven <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:levinius@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">lev=
inius@gmx.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span =
class=3D"">Am 08.11.2015 um 01:00 schrieb De'vID:<br>
</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">
What is the difference between "make a joke" and "make a bev=
erage"<br>
that makes it unlikely that the first verb takes an object while it is<br><=
/span>
uncontroversial that the second one can?That's what I'm trying to<b=
r>
determine.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Well, I'm not sure this is semantically correct (IANAL), so maybe this =
is just a theory. Anyway, since my daughter is being raised bi-lingual with=
German and dutch, I noticed that there are two kinds of "make". =
Actually, these fit to your question:<br>
<br>
a) "make" can sometimes be replaced by do; this make is an action=
. For "make a joke" you can also say a verb "joking". &=
quot;To joke" means to "tell a funny story", it's part o=
f the definition.<br>
<br>
b) "make" can mean "construct, produce, assemble". When=
you "make lunch", then you prepare food, the result is the lunch=
. You cannot say "we lunch".<br>
<br>
This is indeed very confusing, since languages are not consistent with that=
. A german would do (make?) the mistake and say "I must make my homewo=
rk", but in english it's "do your homework." In dutch an=
d english you ask "what are you DOing?" - in German it's &quo=
t;was machst du" (what do you make).<br>
<br>
So: what do you do? I'm telling a joke. {jIqID}<br>
What do you make? I'm making some food. {Soj vIvut}<br>
<br>
That's somehow what Alan wrote in another message.<br>
<br>
That doesn't work always, but that's the reason why I see some word=
s working with object and others not.<br>
<br>
-------<br>
<br>
At the end, we don't know for sure, and as long as one understands the =
intended meaning of a phrase I'll accept anything. We cannot omit each =
word which we do not understand properly.<span class=3D"im HOEnZb"><br>
<br>
-- <br>
Lieven L. Litaer<br>
aka Quvar valer 'utlh<br>
Grammarian of the KLI<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher" rel=3D"noreferrer" targe=
t=3D"_blank">http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.klingonwiki.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://www.klingonwiki.net</a><br>
<br></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">
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