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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] tlhlIngan veS qeS
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (lojmIt tI'wI' nuv)
Sun Nov 8 08:38:08 2015
From: "lojmIt tI'wI' nuv" <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 08:37:50 -0500
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{-taHvIS} is a special combination of verb suffixes. You never see {-vIS} wi=
thout {-taH} in front of it. You might as well think of the two together as b=
eing a single suffix.
Together, they mean "while". In other words, the dependent clause gives you b=
oth a time stamp and duration for the action of the main verb of the sentenc=
e.
qaloStaHvIS paqwIj vIlaD.
Sent from my iPad
lojmIt tI'wI' nuv
> On Nov 8, 2015, at 6:07 AM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > I still don't see {-vIS} represented in your English sentence
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> hmm.. interesting.. I now realize a mistake I have been (unconsciously) do=
ing ; whenever I came across two suffixes together (one following the other)=
, I thought that I could "summarize" their meaning as I understood it. I did=
n't realize that in the translation, I would have to actually translate them=
both in English. So, when I read {Dalo'taHvIS} I thought that the {-taH} wa=
s the important part,and that the {-vIS} could be "assumed" from the transla=
tion I was about to give. Anyway, thank you for bringing this mistake I have=
been doing to my attention ! I will definitely try to improve !
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> now that I think of it,what actually happens with me,is what was happening=
with a dog I had way back.. whenever I went to feed it, it was so happy tha=
t it would eat,so that it would jump on me and spill down its food.
> I'm so happy that I find the translation (or at least thinking that I foun=
d it),that I do not take the time to check that I didn't forget something (s=
uch a suffix,as was clearly the case). I really need to be more careful in t=
he future.
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> > I believe the simple sentences at the top, which you once wrote in Engli=
sh, may actually be within your abilities in Klingon, so I was trying to enc=
ourage you to write them in Klingon.
> ok,you lost me here.. which sentences are you referring too ?
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> cpt qunnoQ
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>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 9:26 PM, lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh <lojmitti7wi7nuv@=
gmail.com> wrote:
>> This is one of my all-time favorite exchanges on this list.
>>=20
>> lojmIt tI=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99 nuv =E2=80=98utlh
>> Door Repair Guy, Retired Honorably
>>=20
>>=20
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>> > A conversation many years ago:
>> >
>> > Nick Nickolas - "An aside: is it just me (and I know for a fact it isn'=
t), or does talking in
>> > Klingon actually *force* you to be rude? ;) "
>> >
>> > Richard Kennaway - "No, talking Terran forces you to be wittering, vagu=
e, and indecisive."
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > - DloraH
>> >
>> >
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>{-taHvIS} is a special combination of v=
erb suffixes. You never see {-vIS} without {-taH} in front of it. You might a=
s well think of the two together as being a single suffix.</div><div id=3D"A=
ppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Together, they m=
ean "while". In other words, the dependent clause gives you both a time stam=
p and duration for the action of the main verb of the sentence.</div><div id=
=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">qaloStaHvIS=
paqwIj vIlaD.<br><br><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0=
);">Sent from my iPad</span><div><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 2=
55, 255, 0);">lojmIt tI'wI' nuv</span></div></div><div><br>On Nov 8, 2015, a=
t 6:07 AM, qunnoQ HoD <<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com">mihkoun@gmail=
.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>> I still don't see {-vIS} represented in y=
our English sentence<br><br></div>hmm.. interesting.. I now realize a mistak=
e I have been (unconsciously) doing ; whenever I came across two suffixes to=
gether (one following the other), I thought that I could "summarize" their m=
eaning as I understood it. I didn't realize that in the translation, I would=
have to actually translate them both in English. So, when I read {<span cla=
ss=3D"im">Dalo'taHvIS} I thought that the {-taH} was the important part,and t=
hat the {-vIS} could be "assumed" from the translation I was about to give. A=
nyway, thank you for bringing this mistake I have been doing to my attention=
! I will definitely try to improve !<br><br></span></div><span class=3D"im"=
>now that I think of it,what actually happens with me,is what was happening w=
ith a dog I had way back.. whenever I went to feed it, it was so happy that i=
t would eat,so that it would jump on me and spill down its food.<br></span><=
/div><span class=3D"im">I'm so happy that I find the translation (or at leas=
t thinking that I found it),that I do not take the time to check that I didn=
't forget something (such a suffix,as was clearly the case). I really need t=
o be more careful in the future.<br><br>> </span>I believe the simple sen=
tences at the top, which you once wrote in=20
English, may actually be within your abilities in Klingon, so I was=20
trying to encourage you to write them in Klingon.<br></div>ok,you lost me he=
re.. which sentences are you referring too ?<br><br></div>cpt qunnoQ<br></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 7, 2=
015 at 9:26 PM, lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mai=
lto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com</=
a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">This is one of my all-t=
ime favorite exchanges on this list.<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
lojmIt tI=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99 nuv =E2=80=98utlh<br>
Door Repair Guy, Retired Honorably<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
> A conversation many years ago:<br>
><br>
> Nick Nickolas - "An aside: is it just me (and I know for a fact it isn'=
t), or does talking in<br>
> Klingon actually *force* you to be rude? ;) "<br>
><br>
> Richard Kennaway - "No, talking Terran forces you to be wittering, vagu=
e, and indecisive."<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> - DloraH<br>
><br>
><br>
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