[101800] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Piraha
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (nIqolay Q)
Mon Nov 2 09:18:18 2015
In-Reply-To: <29067930-FB74-4060-ADC5-E47261906701@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 09:18:01 -0500
From: nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org"
<tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org>
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On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
wrote:
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> I=E2=80=99d love for this to be acceptable, but apparently Okrand has nev=
er
offered us a canon example that has two adverbials and has never given us
advice on their use. It=E2=80=99s not so much that we can=E2=80=99t do it a=
s it is that we
don=E2=80=99t know that we can. We do know that when we would have expected=
two
adjectives applied to a noun, Okrand changed one of them to a relative
clause, likely to avoid the issue, and we=E2=80=99ve seen him use multiple =
relative
clauses in the example you cite below.
>
When I asked about the topic of multiple adverbials a few years ago, I was
given a few examples from the paq'batlh:
Felix Malmenbeck wrote on 4/23/13:
1) From paq'batlh, paq'raD, Canto 8, Stanza 11:
jatlh =E2=80=98e=E2=80=99 mevDI=E2=80=99 qeylIS, lop
chaq tugh batlh Heghmo=E2=80=99
=E2=80=98ej chaq tugh charghmo=E2=80=99
After Kahless's words, they celebrate,
For they may soon die with honor!
For they may soon be victorious!
Another example is from paq'batlh, paq'raD, Canto 17, Stanza 11:
reH batlh SuvtaHjaj chaH
Let endless battle and honor await them!
...and another, in paq'batlh, paq'raD, Canto 23, Stanza 3:
Hay=E2=80=99chu=E2=80=99 luneHqu=E2=80=99
vaj pe=E2=80=99vIl joqqu=E2=80=99
cha=E2=80=99 tlhIngan tIqDu=E2=80=99
Both Klingon hearts beat,
At their strongest,
In lust for blood.
...and I believe there are plenty more examples.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br><br>On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Will Martin &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com">lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com</=
a>> wrote:<br>><br>><br>><br>> I=E2=80=99d love for this to =
be acceptable, but apparently Okrand has never offered us a canon example t=
hat has two adverbials and has never given us advice on their use. It=E2=80=
=99s not so much that we can=E2=80=99t do it as it is that we don=E2=80=99t=
know that we can. We do know that when we would have expected two adjectiv=
es applied to a noun, Okrand changed one of them to a relative clause, like=
ly to avoid the issue, and we=E2=80=99ve seen him use multiple relative cla=
uses in the example you cite below.<br>><br><br>When I asked about the t=
opic of multiple adverbials a few years ago, I was given a few examples fro=
m the paq'batlh:<br><br>Felix Malmenbeck wrote on 4/23/13:<br><br><div =
style=3D"margin-left:40px">1) =C2=A0From paq'batlh, paq'raD, Canto =
8, Stanza 11:<br><br>jatlh =E2=80=98e=E2=80=99 mevDI=E2=80=99 qeylIS, lop<b=
r>chaq tugh batlh Heghmo=E2=80=99<br>=E2=80=98ej chaq tugh charghmo=E2=80=
=99<br><br>After Kahless's words, they celebrate,<br>For they may soon =
die with honor!<br>For they may soon be victorious!<br><br>Another example =
is from paq'batlh, paq'raD, Canto 17, Stanza 11:<br><br>reH batlh S=
uvtaHjaj chaH<br><br>Let endless battle and honor await them!<br><br>...and=
another, in paq'batlh, paq'raD, Canto 23, Stanza 3:<br><br>Hay=E2=
=80=99chu=E2=80=99 luneHqu=E2=80=99<br>vaj pe=E2=80=99vIl joqqu=E2=80=99<br=
>cha=E2=80=99 tlhIngan tIqDu=E2=80=99<br><br>Both Klingon hearts beat,<br>A=
t their strongest,<br>In lust for blood.<br><br>...and I believe there are =
plenty more examples.<br></div></div><br><div><br></div><div><br><br>=C2=A0=
</div></div>
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