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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Piraha
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qunnoQ HoD)
Sun Nov 1 05:50:47 2015
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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 12:49:44 +0200
From: qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com>
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interesting.. so as I understand from the above I must add to my {tlhIngan
Hol pearls} list the following..
1. a basic rule in Klingon is one main verb per sentence
2. in Klingon we can't apply multiple adverbs to a single verb
3. in Klingon we can't apply adverbs to adjectives
4. in Klingon we tend to think we can=E2=80=99t use two adverbs for a singl=
e verb,
and if we have two adjectives, we should use at least one of them as a
relative clause, just to avoid stringing them along,confusing people
please lojmIt tI=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99 nuv =E2=80=98utlh if I understood any =
of the above wrong
correct me..
On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 10:35 PM, lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh <
lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com> wrote:
> Many Klingonists are also computer programmers. Recursion means something
> quite different to them, though I can see the relationship. In software,
> recursion means that you take the output from a block of code
> (instructions) and use it for input for that same block of code. Fractal
> graphics, which were all the rage a decade or so ago are the result of
> recursive functions. Encryption algorithms heavily rely on recursive
> functions.
>
> In Klingon, the guideline is simple: One main verb. Maybe use a
> conjunction to come up with two main verbs, though that=E2=80=99s really =
two
> sentences stuck together.
>
> [Apologies in advance to qunnoQ HoD)
>
> In English, you can write a very long, run-on sentence without really
> using a conjunction because there are so many different varieties of help=
er
> words that can tie yet another major idea on to the stream that you have
> already started and such a wide variety of types of dependent clauses,
> without the restriction of the brief list of Type 9 verb suffixes in
> Klingon, plus there definitely is absolutely no question as to whether or
> not it is proper to use multiple adverbs applied to a single verb, plus t=
he
> ability to apply suitably appropriate adverbs to adjectives (a constructi=
on
> that doesn=E2=80=99t exist in Klingon), and you can use many descriptive,=
colorful,
> situationally specific adjectives to describe each noun without any
> abnormal sense of complication, unlike in Klingon where we tend to think =
we
> can=E2=80=99t use two adverbs for a single verb, and if we have two adjec=
tives, we
> should use at least one of them as a relative clause, just to avoid
> stringing them along, confusing people, since sometimes in Klingon a word
> might be ambiguous as to whether it is a noun or verb, unless it has an
> affix that would identify it as such, and that ambiguity could be
> particularly confusing in a long string of root words in a phrase.
>
> In Klingon, even if we had the vocabulary to say that last run-on
> sentence, we=E2=80=99d be wise to break it down into many sentences. I al=
so agree
> with qunnoQ that it=E2=80=99s similarly wise to do so in English. Just be=
cause I
> can do it, doesn=E2=80=99t make it a good idea...
>
> lojmIt tI=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99 nuv =E2=80=98utlh
> Door Repair Guy, Retired Honorably
>
>
>
> On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:09 PM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_language
>
> ok.I just saw it ! and this article makes reference too,to the name of th=
e
> attribute the documentary was talking about. It is called recursion !
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 10:00 PM, Anthony Appleyard <
> a.appleyard@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_language
>>
>> ----Original message----
>> From : mihkoun@gmail.com
>> Date : 31/10/2015 - 18:40 (GMTST)
>> To : tlhingan-hol@kli.org
>> Subject : [Tlhingan-hol] Piraha
>> ...
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>interesting.. so as I understand from the above I mus=
t add to my {tlhIngan Hol pearls} list the following..<br></div><div><br>1.=
a basic rule in Klingon is one main verb per sentence<br>2. in Klingon we =
can't apply multiple adverbs to a single verb<br>3. in Klingon we can&#=
39;t apply adverbs to adjectives<br>4. in Klingon we tend to think we can=
=E2=80=99t use two adverbs for a single=20
verb, and if we have two adjectives, we should use at least one of them=20
as a relative clause, just to avoid stringing them along,confusing=20
people<br><br></div><div>please=C2=A0lojmIt tI=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99 nuv =E2=
=80=98utlh if I understood any of the above wrong correct me..<br></div></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 31=
, 2015 at 10:35 PM, lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lojmitti7=
wi7nuv@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>Many Klingonists are also computer p=
rogrammers. Recursion means something quite different to them, though I can=
see the relationship. In software, recursion means that you take the outpu=
t from a block of code (instructions) and use it for input for that same bl=
ock of code. Fractal graphics, which were all the rage a decade or so ago a=
re the result of recursive functions. Encryption algorithms heavily rely on=
recursive functions.</div><div><br></div><div>In Klingon, the guideline is=
simple: One main verb. Maybe use a conjunction to come up with two main ve=
rbs, though that=E2=80=99s really two sentences stuck together.</div><div><=
br></div><div>[Apologies in advance to qunnoQ HoD)</div><div><br></div><div=
>In English, you can write a very long, run-on sentence without really usin=
g a conjunction because there are so many different varieties of helper wor=
ds that can tie yet another major idea on to the stream that you have alrea=
dy started and such a wide variety of types of dependent clauses, without t=
he restriction of the brief list of Type 9 verb suffixes in Klingon, plus t=
here definitely is absolutely no question as to whether or not it is proper=
to use multiple adverbs applied to a single verb, plus the ability to appl=
y suitably appropriate adverbs to adjectives (a construction that doesn=E2=
=80=99t exist in Klingon), and you can use many descriptive, colorful, situ=
ationally specific adjectives to describe each noun without any abnormal se=
nse of complication, unlike in Klingon where we tend to think we can=E2=80=
=99t use two adverbs for a single verb, and if we have two adjectives, we s=
hould use at least one of them as a relative clause, just to avoid stringin=
g them along, confusing people, since sometimes in Klingon a word might be =
ambiguous as to whether it is a noun or verb, unless it has an affix that w=
ould identify it as such, and that ambiguity could be particularly confusin=
g in a long string of root words in a phrase.</div><div><br></div><div>In K=
lingon, even if we had the vocabulary to say that last run-on sentence, we=
=E2=80=99d be wise to break it down into many sentences. I also agree with =
qunnoQ that it=E2=80=99s similarly wise to do so in English. Just because I=
can do it, doesn=E2=80=99t make it a good idea...</div><span class=3D"HOEn=
Zb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br><div>
<div><div>lojmIt tI=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99 nuv =E2=80=98utlh</div><div>Door Re=
pair Guy, Retired Honorably</div></div><div><br></div><br>
</div>
<br></font></span><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div class=3D"h5"><di=
v>On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:09 PM, qunnoQ HoD <<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gma=
il.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br></div><=
/div><div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>> See <a href=3D"=
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_language" target=3D"_blank">https=
://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_language</a><br><br></div>ok.I just sa=
w it ! and this article makes reference too,to the name of the attribute th=
e documentary was talking about. It is called recursion !<br></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 1=
0:00 PM, Anthony Appleyard <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:a.appley=
ard@btinternet.com" target=3D"_blank">a.appleyard@btinternet.com</a>></s=
pan> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">See <a href=3D"https://en.wik=
ipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_language" target=3D"_blank">https://en.wikipedi=
a.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_language</a><br><blockquote style=3D"margin-right:0p=
x;margin-left:15px">----Original message----<br>From : <a href=3D"mailto:mi=
hkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a><br>Date : 31/10/20=
15 - 18:40 (GMTST)<br>To : <a href=3D"mailto:tlhingan-hol@kli.org" target=
=3D"_blank">tlhingan-hol@kli.org</a><br>Subject : [Tlhingan-hol] Piraha<br>=
...<br></blockquote><div><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div=
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