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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] thIngan Hol yejHaD Degh qun
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qunnoQ HoD)
Sun Nov 1 05:55:02 2015
In-Reply-To: <78A80691-8F00-4C3B-8CD4-58FCDDA87927@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 12:54:23 +0200
From: qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com>
To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list <tlhIngan-Hol@kli.org>
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thank you very much for your comments !
On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 11:13 PM, lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh <
lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com> wrote:
> Comments below:
>
> lojmIt tI=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99 nuv =E2=80=98utlh
> Door Repair Guy, Retired Honorably
>
>
>
> On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:15 AM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Qo=E2=80=99. tlhIngan Hol=E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 bopbe=E2=80=99. tlhIngan =
Hol yejHaD Degh neH bop. yImugh
> SoH =E2=80=98ej bIQaghchugh nIQaH latlhpu=E2=80=99
> no. this does not concern the klingon language. it concerns the KLI
> symbol. you must translate it,and if you make mistakes they will help you
> another one (?).
>
>
> You almost made it, right out to the end. The last sentence should be:
> =E2=80=9CTranslate it, and if you err, others will help you.=E2=80=9D
>
> The imperative prefix is not the same thing as the {-nIS} verb suffix,
> which is what you treated it as, and you mixed up the word order at the
> very end. None of this is to suggest that you are not doing remarkably we=
ll
> for someone who hasn=E2=80=99t been doing this for years.
>
> actually i started translating it,but i got lost along the way. here is
> what happened..
>
> > qen ghel qunnoQ HoD
> qunnoQ HoD recently asked
>
> > jatlh =C2=ABghorgh chen tlhIngan Hol yejHaD Degh 'ej chenmoH 'Iv?=C2=BB
> he said when was the KLI logo created and who created it ?
>
>
> It would make more sense with punctuation:
>
> He said, =E2=80=9CWhen was the KLI logo created, and who created it?"
>
> > jIjanglaH HolQeD veywIj vInuD.
> to be able to reply i examined and farmed my HolQeD package (?!?!?!) (i
> laughed so hard that tears came out of my eyes..)
>
>
> I can answer. I examined my set of HolQeD.
>
> I=E2=80=99m suspecting she might have intended to say:
>
> jIjanglaHmeH HolQeD veywIj vInuD.
>
> In order that I could answer, I examined my set of HolQeD.
>
> > De=E2=80=99 vISamta=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98a tlhIngan Hol=E2=80=99e=E2=80=99=
bopbe=E2=80=99mo=E2=80=99 vImuchmeH tlhIngan Hol vIlo=E2=80=99.
> when i accomplished finding the information,however because it does not
> concern the klingon language,i presented them the klingon language
>
>
> I accomplished seeking and retrieving the information, but because it did
> not concern the Klingon language, I used Klingon language in order to
> present it.
>
> [There=E2=80=99s an etiquette issue here. This email list is for things i=
nvolving
> the Klingon language or using the Klingon language. She felt she would
> wander from this mission if she were to present it in English.]
>
> > tera=E2=80=99 DIS wa=E2=80=99SaD Hutvatlh HutmaH jav qep=E2=80=99a=E2=
=80=99Daq Degh chu=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98ang =E2=80=98angghal.
> earth years one thousand nine hundred nine ten (i guess 1990) at the sixt=
h
> qep'a' the new symbol was newly jealously revealed
>
>
> {HutmaH} or {Hut maH} is =E2=80=9Cninety=E2=80=9D. So, {tera=E2=80=99 DIS=
wa=E2=80=99SaD Hutvatlh HutmaH
> jav} is "Earth year 1996=E2=80=9D. If she wanted to say, =E2=80=9Cat the =
sixth eep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99=E2=80=9D, she
> would have said {qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 javDIchDaq}.
>
> {=E2=80=98angghal} is one of several names Lawrence Schoen has used over =
the
> years. Jealousy has nothing to do with it. =E2=80=9C{=E2=80=98angghal} pr=
esented the new
> symbol."
>
> > chenmoH Dave Schaeffer
> Dave Schaeffer created it (now i understand how the past tense is made
> clear from the context)
>
> > qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 jeyDaq Degh Deq lo=E2=80=99lu=E2=80=99, vaj qaSt=
aHvIS qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 much SeQ ta=E2=80=99law=E2=80=99
> =E2=80=98angghal.
> at that qep'a the prior symbol was defeated, so it was occuring to happen
> at the qep'a' formal presentation by many was accomplished to be jealousl=
y
> revealed (i feel like an idiot)
>
>
> {jey} is =E2=80=9Citinerary=E2=80=9D. So, =E2=80=9CIn the qep=E2=80=99a=
=E2=80=99 itinerary, the erstwhile symbol
> was used, thus while the qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 happened, =E2=80=98anggha=
l apparently accomplished
> the formal presentation.
>
> > vIqawbe=E2=80=99
> i do not remember it/them
>
> > chaq ngugh maHvaD Degh cha=E2=80=99bogh HumwI=E2=80=99mey lunoblu=E2=80=
=99 je.
> perhaps at that time for us the symbol which was displayed was made stick=
y
> they gave it also
>
>
> Perhaps then the stickers which presented the symbol were also given to u=
s.
>
> [I will confess that I had to parse this one a few times before it made
> sense. It=E2=80=99s not a simple sentence.] {HumwI=E2=80=99} is something=
which is sticky.
> It=E2=80=99s a noun, not a verb.
>
> > QonoSwIj tIQDaq Deghmey Sar lulo=E2=80=99pu=E2=80=99bogh vImuch.
> my journal one of the various ancient symbols which they used and they
> presented.
>
>
> In my ancient journal, I present the various symbols which had been used.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 10:59 PM, <qov@kli.org> wrote:
>
>> > Could you please write this in english too ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Qo=E2=80=99. tlhIngan Hol=E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 bopbe=E2=80=99. tlhIngan H=
ol yejHaD Degh neH bop. yImugh
>> SoH =E2=80=98ej bIQaghchugh nIQaH latlhpu=E2=80=99.
>>
>>
>>
>> SKI: Nope.
>>
>>
>>
>> Qov =E2=80=98utlh
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">thank you very much for your comments !<br></div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 11=
:13 PM, lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
=3D"mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lojmitti7wi7nuv@gma=
il.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=
=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>Comments below:</div><br><div>
<div><div>lojmIt tI=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99 nuv =E2=80=98utlh</div><div>Door Re=
pair Guy, Retired Honorably</div></div><div><br></div><br>
</div>
<br><div><span class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Oct 31, 2015, a=
t 4:15 AM, qunnoQ HoD <<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><span>> <span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">Qo=E2=
=80=99.=C2=A0 tlhIngan Hol=E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 bopbe=E2=80=99. tlhIngan Hol =
yejHaD Degh neH bop. =C2=A0yImugh SoH =E2=80=98ej bIQaghchugh nIQaH latlhpu=
=E2=80=99<br></span></span>no.
this does not concern the klingon language. it concerns the KLI symbol.
you must translate it,and if you make mistakes they will help you=20
another one (?).<span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"></span><span style=3D"=
color:rgb(31,73,125)"> <br></span></div></div></div></div></div></blockquot=
e><div><br></div></span><div>You almost made it, right out to the end. The =
last sentence should be: =E2=80=9CTranslate it, and if you err, others will=
help you.=E2=80=9D</div><div><br></div><div>The imperative prefix is not t=
he same thing as the {-nIS} verb suffix, which is what you treated it as, a=
nd you mixed up the word order at the very end. None of this is to suggest =
that you are not doing remarkably well for someone who hasn=E2=80=99t been =
doing this for years.</div><span class=3D""><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>actually i started translat=
ing it,but i got lost along the way. here is what happened..<br></div><span=
style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br>>=C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><=
font face=3D"Calibri">qen ghel qunnoQ HoD<br></font></span></div><div>qunno=
Q HoD recently asked<span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri"><br><=
br>> </font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">jatlh =C2=
=ABghorgh chen tlhIngan Hol yejHaD Degh 'ej chenmoH 'Iv?=C2=BB<br><=
/font></span></span></div><div>he said when was the KLI logo created and wh=
o created it ?<span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri"><br></font></span=
></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>It would m=
ake more sense with punctuation:</div><div><br></div><div>He said, =E2=80=
=9CWhen was the KLI logo created, and who created it?"</div><span clas=
s=3D""><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">> </font></span><span =
lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">jIjanglaH HolQeD veywIj vInuD.<br></f=
ont></span>to be able to reply i examined and farmed my HolQeD package (?!?=
!?!) (i laughed so hard that tears came out of my eyes..)<span><br></span><=
/div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>I can answer=
. I examined my set of HolQeD.</div><div><br></div><div>I=E2=80=99m suspect=
ing she might have intended to say:</div><div><br></div><div>jIjanglaHmeH H=
olQeD veywIj vInuD.</div><div><br></div><div>In order that I could answer, =
I examined my set of HolQeD.</div><span class=3D""><br><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><span>> <span lang=3D"=
en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">De=E2=80=99 vISamta=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98a tlhI=
ngan Hol=E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 bopbe=E2=80=99mo=E2=80=99</font></span><span la=
ng=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">vImuchmeH tlh</font></span><span lang=
=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">I</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font=
face=3D"Calibri">ngan Hol vIlo=E2=80=99.<br></font></span></span></div><di=
v>when
i accomplished finding the information,however because it does not=20
concern the klingon language,i presented them the klingon language<span><sp=
an lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri"><br></font></span></span></div></d=
iv></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>I accomplished seeki=
ng and retrieving the information, but because it did not concern the Kling=
on language, I used Klingon language in order to present it.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>[There=E2=80=99s an etiquette issue here. This email list is for=
things involving the Klingon language or using the Klingon language. She f=
elt she would wander from this mission if she were to present it in English=
.]</div><span class=3D""><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">&=
gt; </font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">tera=E2=80=99=
DIS wa=E2=80=99SaD Hutvatlh HutmaH</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <fon=
t face=3D"Calibri">jav qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99Daq</font></span><span lang=3D=
"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">Degh chu=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98ang =E2=80=98ang=
ghal.<br></font></span></span></div><div>earth years one thousand nine hund=
red nine ten (i guess 1990) at the sixth qep'a' the new symbol was =
newly jealously revealed<span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">=C2=A0 =
<br></font></span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></spa=
n><div>{HutmaH} or {Hut maH} is =E2=80=9Cninety=E2=80=9D. So, {tera=E2=80=
=99 DIS wa=E2=80=99SaD Hutvatlh HutmaH jav} is "Earth year 1996=E2=80=
=9D. If she wanted to say, =E2=80=9Cat the sixth eep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99=E2=
=80=9D, she would have said {qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 javDIchDaq}.</div><div>=
<br></div><div>{=E2=80=98angghal} is one of several names Lawrence Schoen h=
as used over the years. Jealousy has nothing to do with it. =E2=80=9C{=E2=
=80=98angghal} presented the new symbol."</div><span class=3D""><br><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><span l=
ang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">>=C2=A0 </font></span><span lang=3D=
"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">chenmoH Dave Scha</font></span><span lang=3D=
"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">effer <br></font></span></div><div>Dave Scha=
effer created it (now i understand how the past tense is made clear from th=
e context)<span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri"><br><br>> </=
font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">qep=E2=80=99a=E2=
=80=99 jeyDaq Degh Deq lo=E2=80=99lu=E2=80=99</font></span><span lang=3D"en=
-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">, vaj qaStaHvIS qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 much SeQ=
ta=E2=80=99law=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98ang</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><fo=
nt face=3D"Calibri">ghal.<br></font></span></span></div><div>at
that qep'a the prior symbol was defeated, so it was occuring to happen=
=20
at the qep'a' formal presentation by many was accomplished to be=20
jealously revealed<span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri"> </font></spa=
n>(i feel like an idiot)<span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri"><br></f=
ont></span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br></span><div>{jey} is =
=E2=80=9Citinerary=E2=80=9D. So, =E2=80=9CIn the qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 iti=
nerary, the erstwhile symbol was used, thus while the qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=
=99 happened, =E2=80=98angghal apparently accomplished the formal presentat=
ion.</div><span class=3D""><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">> =
</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">vIqawbe=E2=80=99<=
br></font></span></div><div>i do not remember it/them<span><span lang=3D"en=
-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri"><br><br>>=C2=A0</font></span><span lang=3D"e=
n-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">chaq ngugh</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> =
<font face=3D"Calibri">maHvaD Degh cha=E2=80=99bogh</font></span><span lang=
=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">Hu</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><fo=
nt face=3D"Calibri">mwI=E2=80=99mey lunoblu=E2=80=99</font></span><span lan=
g=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri"> je.<br></font></span></span></div><div>=
perhaps at that time for us the symbol which was displayed was made sticky =
they gave it also<span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri"><br></fo=
nt></span></span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span=
><div>Perhaps then the stickers which presented the symbol were also given =
to us.</div><div><br></div><div>[I will confess that I had to parse this on=
e a few times before it made sense. It=E2=80=99s not a simple sentence.] {H=
umwI=E2=80=99} is something which is sticky. It=E2=80=99s a noun, not a ver=
b.</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><sp=
an class=3D""><div><span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">> <=
/font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">QonoSwIj tIQDaq De=
ghmey Sar lulo=E2=80=99</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Cal=
ibri">pu=E2=80=99</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
b</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">ogh vImuch.<br><=
/font></span></span></div></span><div>my journal one of the various ancient=
symbols which they used and they presented.</div></div></div></blockquote>=
<div><br></div><div>In my ancient journal, I present the various symbols wh=
ich had been used.</div><span class=3D""><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div=
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 =
at 10:59 PM, <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:qov@kli.org" target=
=3D"_blank">qov@kli.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex"><div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-CA"><div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri&qu=
ot;,"sans-serif";color:#1f497d">> C</span>ould you please writ=
e this in english too ?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d=
">Qo=E2=80=99.=C2=A0 tlhIngan Hol=E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 bopbe=E2=80=99. tlhIng=
an Hol yejHaD Degh neH bop. =C2=A0yImugh SoH =E2=80=98ej bIQaghchugh nIQaH =
latlhpu=E2=80=99. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif&quo=
t;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-ser=
if";color:#1f497d">SKI: Nope.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",&quo=
t;sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri&qu=
ot;,"sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Qov =E2=80=98utlh<u></u><u></u></=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family=
:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">--<u></u><u></u>=
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