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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Things missing
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rohan Fenwick)
Tue Oct 27 12:19:15 2015
From: Rohan Fenwick <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 02:19:00 +1000
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ghItlhpu' qunnoQ=2C jatlh:
> i believe 3 things are missing=2Cwhich if existed they would be
> of great help to Klingon as a language.
Why not focus on what there *is* in Klingon=2C rather than what there isn't=
? It's best to work with the language=2C send emails to the list=2C reach o=
ut and communicate with members of the community individually=2C Skype with=
Klingonists at all levels (my Skype handle is theriddermark=2C if you shou=
ld want to add me)... the list of possibilities is huge. If you get the cha=
nce to come to next year's qep'a'=2C or to the Saarbr=FCcken qepHom=2C you'=
ll see Klingon in full flight and realise that even without these things yo=
u make note of=2C Klingon still works as a language. Yes=2C there are gramm=
atical and lexical gaps with Klingon and logistical issues for the Klingon =
community=2C but as you spend more time here=2C you'll learn more about wha=
t these gaps and issues are=2C how you can overcome them with the tools we'=
ve already got=2C how other speakers have overcome the same hurdles you hav=
e (this is hugely important)=2C and also get some idea of what the Klingon =
community *is* doing=2C what we're working on with respect to the language=
=2C and so forth.
It's true that we still only have five major works published=2C and that is=
a fair sort of hurdle as none of those is a teaching textbook. But the fiv=
e texts cover a good range of difficulty=2C and all five are bilingual (i.e=
. the English is on the opposing page)=2C so they're good self-teaching aid=
s if you can get hold of them. Also=2C there are several other major works =
in the pipeline=2C both prose and poetry=2C and many more scattered across =
the Internet. The old articles from Qo'noS QonoS (The Kronos Chronicle=2C a=
Klingon-only newsletter that was done for a few years) can be found here:
http://www.kli.org/QQ/
(poD vay')
taH:
> 3. There should be an established board/academy/institution
> which should have the authority to create canon (vocabulary
> & grammar).
This is really problematic=2C unfortunately. Who gets to decide what's nece=
ssary in terms of vocabulary and grammar? Who decides who gets to decide in=
the first place? What methods do we use to decide on the new word or gramm=
ar feature? What happens if there are serious divisions of opinion? Such a =
thing has happened before in the Klingon community=2C and we're not so big =
that we can afford a schism like the one that occurred between Esperanto on=
the one hand=2C and Ido and the numerous neo-Esperantos on the other. Ulti=
mately=2C the KLI has chosen to avoid those kinds of arguments by agreeing =
to work under a sort of benevolent dictatorship=2C having Marc Okrand as ou=
r sole provider of new canon. Luckily for us=2C Marc's been very benevolent=
=2C and for now he's still going strong (touch wood).
QeS 'utlh
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<div dir=3D"ltr">ghItlhpu' qunnoQ=2C jatlh:<br>>=3B i believe 3 things ar=
e missing=2Cwhich if existed they would be<br>>=3B of great help to Kling=
on as a language.<br><br>Why not focus on what there *is* in Klingon=2C rat=
her than what there isn't? It's best to work with the language=2C send emai=
ls to the list=2C reach out and communicate with members of the community i=
ndividually=2C Skype with Klingonists at all levels (my Skype handle is the=
riddermark=2C if you should want to add me)... the list of possibilities is=
huge. If you get the chance to come to next year's qep'a'=2C or to the Saa=
rbr=FCcken qepHom=2C you'll see Klingon in full flight and realise that eve=
n without these things you make note of=2C Klingon still works as a languag=
e. Yes=2C there are grammatical and lexical gaps with Klingon and logistica=
l issues for the Klingon community=2C but as you spend more time here=2C yo=
u'll learn more about what these gaps and issues are=2C how you can overcom=
e them with the tools we've already got=2C how other speakers have overcome=
the same hurdles you have (this is hugely important)=2C and also get some =
idea of what the Klingon community *is* doing=2C what we're working on with=
respect to the language=2C and so forth.<br><br>It's true that we still on=
ly have five major works published=2C and that is a fair sort of hurdle as =
none of those is a teaching textbook. But the five texts cover a good range=
of difficulty=2C and all five are bilingual (i.e. the English is on the op=
posing page)=2C so they're good self-teaching aids if you can get hold of t=
hem. Also=2C there are several other major works in the pipeline=2C both pr=
ose and poetry=2C and many more scattered across the Internet. The old arti=
cles from Qo'noS QonoS (The Kronos Chronicle=2C a Klingon-only newsletter t=
hat was done for a few years) can be found here:<br><br><a href=3D"http://w=
ww.kli.org/QQ/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.kli.org/QQ/</a><br><div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><br>(poD vay')<br><br>taH:<br>>=3B 3. There should be an estab=
lished board/academy/institution<br>>=3B which should have the authority =
to create canon (vocabulary<br>>=3B &=3B grammar).<br><br>This is real=
ly problematic=2C unfortunately. Who gets to decide what's necessary in ter=
ms of vocabulary and grammar? Who decides who gets to decide in the first p=
lace? What methods do we use to decide on the new word or grammar feature? =
What happens if there are serious divisions of opinion? Such a thing has ha=
ppened before in the Klingon community=2C and we're not so big that we can =
afford a schism like the one that occurred between Esperanto on the one han=
d=2C and Ido and the numerous neo-Esperantos on the other. Ultimately=2C th=
e KLI has chosen to avoid those kinds of arguments by agreeing to work unde=
r a sort of benevolent dictatorship=2C having Marc Okrand as our sole provi=
der of new canon. Luckily for us=2C Marc's been very benevolent=2C and for =
now he's still going strong (touch wood).<br><br>QeS 'utlh<br></div></div><=
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