[101534] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Things missing
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qurgh lungqIj)
Tue Oct 27 12:29:22 2015
In-Reply-To: <DE0C1D3E-A16F-4812-AFB9-C6A3895EB9A3@gmail.com>
From: qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 12:28:46 -0400
To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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I scanned in a number of issues back in 2009 as a test, but they had a
bunch of issues. The biggest one was that the paper used in HolQeD,
especially the older issues, allows a lot of bleed-through of the text on
the backside of the page (eg http://hol.kag.org/Save0001.JPG). I tried many
different ways of scanning, and that was the best I could get. There may be
ways to clean it up, but it will never be as good as a generated PDF file.
The scanned PDFs I created were also very large even after compression, due
to them being a collection of images instead of actual text (5+MB scanned
vs 135KB generated).
qurgh
On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I find it difficult to believe that with all the computer geeks in this
> group, nobody can read the original files. I would find it easier to
> believe that a certain person may have lost them.
>
> I have all of the HolQeD volumes, and if I could get Lawrence=E2=80=99s
> permission, I could scan them and provide them as .pdf files. It would ta=
ke
> a while, and if someone else also has all the volumes and would be happie=
r
> with the project, they are welcome to it. If I am to be a hero for this
> project, know that the role would be that of a reluctant hero, not a
> possessive, egocentric, glory-seeking fanatic.
>
> If such a possessive, egocentric, glory-seeking fanatic is out there,
> here=E2=80=99s your opportunity. Knock yourself out.
>
> If Lawrence still reads this list, hey, Lawrence, is it okay for me to do
> this with copyright and all?
>
> If he doesn=E2=80=99t still read it, could someone who does get in touch =
with him
> and ask him?
>
> pItlh
> lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
>
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2015, at 11:51 AM, qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 10:53 AM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> i believe 3 things are missing,which if existed they would be of great
>> help to Klingon as a language. I realize that for copyright reasons
>> mainly,it would be impossible for these 3 things to actually take place =
but
>> anyway,here goes..
>>
>> 1. KLI should publish all HolQeD as a book/books and make it available
>> through every major bookstore. The only experience i had of HolQeD was
>> through the "grammarian's desk", which i liked so much that it made me s=
ad
>> to think that there were whole issues of HolQeD i could not acquire. Let
>> alone the fact that i searched for months until i finally found it.
>>
>
> There's been some talk about creating digital versions of HolQeD, but
> AFAIK there are certain barriers that are hard to cross. One of the big
> ones is that the original files for the older HolQeDmey are either
> unavailable or in a format that can no longer be read by modern programs.
> There are a couple of the final issues of HolQeD on the KLI website for
> Members to download.
>
> As for bringing it back from the dead, the main issue there is content.
> Most of the articles that could be written have been written, so it would
> be hard to continuously find new content.
>
>
>
>>
>> 2. Three books should be published ; Beginner - Intermediate - Advanced.
>> Each should focus on grammar having as many exercises as possible,for th=
e
>> student to practice his individual skills depending on his level. And ea=
ch
>> of these books should be as many pages as possible,so as to keep the rea=
der
>> interested and gradually working his way to higher levels
>>
>
> These would probably have to be made by Paramount/CBS/Okrand, but there's
> little profit to be gained in them so it's unlikely. The KLI's website ha=
s
> the first part of a course on it that will teach you the language. Have y=
ou
> tried that yet?
>
> qurgh
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I scanned in a number of issues back in 2009 as a test, bu=
t they had a bunch of issues. The biggest one was that the paper used in Ho=
lQeD, especially the older issues, allows a lot of bleed-through of the tex=
t on the backside of the page (eg <a href=3D"http://hol.kag.org/Save0001.JP=
G">http://hol.kag.org/Save0001.JPG</a>). I tried many different ways of sca=
nning, and that was the best I could get. There may be ways to clean it up,=
but it will never be as good as a generated PDF file. The scanned PDFs I c=
reated were also very large even after compression, due to them being a col=
lection of images instead of actual text (5+MB scanned vs 135KB generated).=
=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>qurgh</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Will Martin <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com" target=3D"_=
blank">lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>I find it difficult =
to believe that with all the computer geeks in this group, nobody can read =
the original files. I would find it easier to believe that a certain person=
may have lost them.</div><div><br></div><div>I have all of the HolQeD volu=
mes, and if I could get Lawrence=E2=80=99s permission, I could scan them an=
d provide them as .pdf files. It would take a while, and if someone else al=
so has all the volumes and would be happier with the project, they are welc=
ome to it. If I am to be a hero for this project, know that the role would =
be that of a reluctant hero, not a possessive, egocentric, glory-seeking fa=
natic.</div><div><br></div><div>If such a possessive, egocentric, glory-see=
king fanatic is out there, here=E2=80=99s your opportunity. Knock yourself =
out.</div><div><br></div><div>If Lawrence still reads this list, hey, Lawre=
nce, is it okay for me to do this with copyright and all?</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>If he doesn=E2=80=99t still read it, could someone who does get in =
touch with him and ask him?</div><br><div>
<span style=3D"border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvet=
ica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing=
:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-tra=
nsform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div>pItlh</div><div>lojmI=
t tI'wI'nuv</div><div><br></div></span><br>
</div>
<br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div class=3D"h5"><div>On Oct 27, 2=
015, at 11:51 AM, qurgh lungqIj <<a href=3D"mailto:qurgh@wizage.net" tar=
get=3D"_blank">qurgh@wizage.net</a>> wrote:</div><br></div></div><div><d=
iv><div class=3D"h5"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 10:53 AM, qunnoQ HoD <span dir=3D"=
ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gma=
il.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"=
ltr">i believe 3 things are missing,which if existed they would be of great=
help to Klingon as a language. I realize that for copyright reasons mainly=
,it would be impossible for these 3 things to actually take place but anywa=
y,here goes..<br><br>1. KLI should publish all HolQeD as a book/books and m=
ake it available through every major bookstore. The only experience i had o=
f HolQeD was through the "grammarian's desk", which i liked s=
o much that it made me sad to think that there were whole issues of HolQeD =
i could not acquire. Let alone the fact that i searched for months until i =
finally found it.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There's bee=
n some talk about creating digital versions of HolQeD, but AFAIK there are =
certain barriers that are hard to cross. One of the big ones is that the or=
iginal files for the older HolQeDmey are either unavailable or in a format =
that can no longer be read by modern programs. There are a couple of the fi=
nal issues of HolQeD on the KLI website for Members to download.</div><div>=
<br></div><div>As for bringing it back from the dead, the main issue there =
is content. Most of the articles that could be written have been written, s=
o it would be hard to continuously find new content.</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>2. Three=
books should be published ; Beginner - Intermediate - Advanced. Each shoul=
d focus on grammar having as many exercises as possible,for the student to =
practice his individual skills depending on his level. And each of these bo=
oks should be as many pages as possible,so as to keep the reader interested=
and gradually working his way to higher levels<br></div></blockquote><div>=
<br></div><div>These would probably have to be made by Paramount/CBS/Okrand=
, but there's little profit to be gained in them so it's unlikely. =
The KLI's website has the first part of a course on it that will teach =
you the language. Have you tried that yet?=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>q=
urgh</div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div><span class=3D"">
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