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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon language known issues
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Holt)
Tue Oct 20 22:23:15 2015
From: David Holt <kenjutsuka@live.com>
To: TlhIngan Hol Mailing List <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 02:22:55 +0000
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gItlh qunnoQ HoD:
> actually,i had thought of this myself sometime ago. i told myself,if they=
have translated Hamlet,Christmas Carol etc,then surely a workaround
> must exist for almost every difficulty that may arise. but i think that i=
n order for someone to find this workaround,some considerable skill in
> the use of the language must exist. let alone that the workaround,must be=
clear and well understood by any listener of similar skill.
You have broached, here, upon what might be the most important thing for be=
ginners to realize. While these complicated topics may be interesting and =
you will eventually have to learn them and understand them, you must have "=
considerable skill in the use of the language" to understand them fully and=
apply them well. This is why we often encourage beginners to practice the=
basics and fundamentals well, before trying to really apply themselves to =
these advanced topics.
> out of curiosity,when Okrand decides on supplementing Klingon with whate=
ver it may be lacking (at least as far as grammar is concerned)
> where will he post it ? Here ? At the KLI ? A new book ?
All are possibilities. And he pretty much has done all of those plus more.=
He has never actually posted here, but he has posted directly on other fo=
rums (I they are all closed now) and occasionally posts directly to individ=
uals who then come straight here to share his post. The KLI used to share =
its revelations through HolQeD, but now mostly does so at the qep'a'. He a=
lso often reveals some interesting tidbits at the European qepHom.
> As a sidenote to all this,yes i agree that all of the languages,do have l=
imitations ; i mean in Greek,we have tons of words which do not exist
> in other languages. Still when talking in English you can still convey th=
e desired meaning,as long as you know English well enough. You just
> need to describe it in more words.
Exactly so when translating from English to Klingon. Though you encounter =
it a lot less once you start actually composing in Klingon rather than comp=
osing first in English and then translating into Klingon.
janSIy
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<div>> actually,i had thought of this myself sometime ago. i told m=
yself,if they have translated Hamlet,Christmas Carol etc,then surely a work=
around</div>
<div>> must exist for almost every difficulty that may arise. but i=
think that in order for someone to find this workaround,some considerable =
skill in</div>
<div>> the use of the language must exist. let alone that the worka=
round,must be clear and well understood by any listener of similar skill.</=
div>
<div><br>
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<div>You have broached, here, upon what might be the most important thing f=
or beginners to realize. While these complicated topics may be intere=
sting and you will eventually have to learn them and understand them, you m=
ust have "considerable skill in the use
of the language" to understand them fully and apply them well. =
This is why we often encourage beginners to practice the basics and fundame=
ntals well, before trying to really apply themselves to these advanced topi=
cs.<br>
<br>
> <span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"> out of curiosity,when Okra=
nd decides on supplementing Klingon with whatever it may be lacking (at lea=
st as far as grammar is concerned)</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">> where will he post it ? Her=
e ? At the KLI ? A new book ?</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">All are possibilities. And he p=
retty much has done all of those plus more. He has never actually pos=
ted here, but he has posted directly on other forums (I they are all closed=
now) and occasionally posts directly to individuals
who then come straight here to share his post. The KLI used to share=
its revelations through HolQeD, but now mostly does so at the qep'a'. &nbs=
p;He also often reveals some interesting tidbits at the European qepHom.</s=
pan></div>
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> As a sidenote to all this,yes i agree that all of the languages,d=
o have limitations ; i mean in Greek,we have tons of words which do not exi=
st</div>
<div>> in other languages. Still when talking in English you can st=
ill convey the desired meaning,as long as you know English well enough. You=
just</div>
<div>> need to describe it in more words.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Exactly so when translating from English to Klingon. Though you =
encounter it a lot less once you start actually composing in Klingon rather=
than composing first in English and then translating into Klingon.<br>
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janSIy</div>
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