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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Bird of Prey Classes
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (HoD qunnoQ)
Fri Oct 9 14:17:30 2015
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 21:16:35 +0300
From: HoD qunnoQ <mihkoun@gmail.com>
To: =?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIE3DvGxsZXI=?= <esperantist@gmail.com>
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>P.S.: {nuqneH} and {Qapla'} are not greetings. Why would you write a
message to the mailinglist asking what we want? It's you, who wants
something. There is no Klingon word for 'hello', {nuqneH?} is only one
possibility to say when someone approaches you, but not what you would say
when you approach someone. Likewise, why {Qapla'}? You're wishing us
success... but success with what? It's not a greeting, it's a wish.
i didn't know any of this ! thanks,point taken.
On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Andr=C3=A9 M=C3=BCller <esperantist@gmail.c=
om> wrote:
> Those names, just like most personal Klingon names in the Star Trek
> universe aren't "proper" Klingon orthography, nor are they the common
> transcription we use. They're phonetic respellings in English and not
> accurately render the Klingon pronuniciation. Also "Worf" or "B'Etor"
> aren't possible words in Klingon.
>
> For some of these we have the Klingon spelling, though:
> B'rel =3D {bI'rel}
> K'tinga =3D {qItI'nga'}
> Worf =3D {wo'rIv}
> B'Etor =3D {be'etor}
> d'k tahg =3D {Daqtagh}
> Kruge =3D {Qugh}
>
> Apostrophes in non-Klingon spelling often doesn't serve much purpose. You
> have similar spellings in names of other aliens in other series, such as
> Teal'c in Stargate SG-1.
>
> - Andr=C3=A9
>
> P.S.: {nuqneH} and {Qapla'} are not greetings. Why would you write a
> message to the mailinglist asking what we want? It's you, who wants
> something. There is no Klingon word for 'hello', {nuqneH?} is only one
> possibility to say when someone approaches you, but not what you would sa=
y
> when you approach someone. Likewise, why {Qapla'}? You're wishing us
> success... but success with what? It's not a greeting, it's a wish.
>
>
> 2015-10-09 13:56 GMT+02:00 HoD qunnoQ <mihkoun@gmail.com>:
>
>> nuqneH
>>
>> i was searching online for Klingon Birds of Prey, and i noticed that
>> various classes are named like this : simple consonant-->glottal
>> stop-->consonant.
>>
>> for example b'rel klass, k't'inga class, etc..
>>
>> are these names considered canon ? i mean apart the "k't'inga" which
>> obviously can't be canon (klingon does not have the letter "k") what abo=
ut
>> the "b'rel" ? Am i allowed to place a single consonant followed by the
>> glottal stop,and then another consonant ?
>>
>> Qapla'!
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">>P.S.: {nuqneH} and {Qapla'} are not greetings. Why=
would you write a=20
message to the mailinglist asking what we want? It's you, who wants=20
something. There is no Klingon word for 'hello', {nuqneH?} is only =
one=20
possibility to say when someone approaches you, but not what you would=20
say when you approach someone. Likewise, why {Qapla'}? You're wishi=
ng us
success... but success with what? It's not a greeting, it's a wish=
.<br><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><br></div><div>i didn'=
;t know any of this ! thanks,point taken.<br></div></div></div></div></div>=
</div></div></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Andr=C3=A9 M=C3=BCller <span d=
ir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:esperantist@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">e=
sperantist@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Those =
names, just like most personal Klingon names in the Star Trek universe aren=
't "proper" Klingon orthography, nor are they the common tran=
scription we use. They're phonetic respellings in English and not accur=
ately render the Klingon pronuniciation. Also "Worf" or "B&#=
39;Etor" aren't possible words in Klingon.<br><br></div>For some o=
f these we have the Klingon spelling, though:<br></div>B'rel =3D {bI=
9;rel}<br></div>K'tinga =3D {qItI'nga'}<br></div>Worf =3D {wo&#=
39;rIv}<br></div>B'Etor =3D {be'etor}<br></div>d'k tahg =3D {Da=
qtagh}<br></div>Kruge =3D {Qugh}<br><br></div>Apostrophes in non-Klingon sp=
elling often doesn't serve much purpose. You have similar spellings in =
names of other aliens in other series, such as Teal'c in Stargate SG-1.=
<br><br></div>- Andr=C3=A9<br><br></div>P.S.: {nuqneH} and {Qapla'} are=
not greetings. Why would you write a message to the mailinglist asking wha=
t we want? It's you, who wants something. There is no Klingon word for =
'hello', {nuqneH?} is only one possibility to say when someone appr=
oaches you, but not what you would say when you approach someone. Likewise,=
why {Qapla'}? You're wishing us success... but success with what? =
It's not a greeting, it's a wish.<br><div><div><div><div><div><div>=
<div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div cla=
ss=3D"h5">2015-10-09 13:56 GMT+02:00 HoD qunnoQ <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>>=
</span>:<br></div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h=
5"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>nuqneH<br><br></div>i was searching onli=
ne for Klingon Birds of Prey, and i noticed that various classes are named =
like this : simple consonant-->glottal stop-->consonant.<br><br></div=
>for example b'rel klass, k't'inga class, etc..<br><br></div><d=
iv>are these names considered canon ? i mean apart the "k't'in=
ga" which obviously can't be canon (klingon does not have the lett=
er "k") what about the "b'rel" ? Am i allowed to pl=
ace a single consonant followed by the glottal stop,and then another conson=
ant ?<br><br></div><div>Qapla'!<br></div></div>
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