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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Child-related vocabulary
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Sat Mar 7 12:19:58 2015
From: "Robyn Stewart" <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
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When I play with kids in Klingon they can count on having their fingers =
and toes enumerated, a rousing game of =E2=80=9Cnuq =
=E2=80=98oH?=E2=80=9D and lots of =E2=80=9CnuqDaq =E2=80=98oH =
XlIj=E2=80=99e=E2=80=99?=E2=80=9D ---- vISampu=E2=80=99! =
DaSampu=E2=80=99! When they scream I speculate as to culturally =
appropriate things that might cause the screaming, =E2=80=9Cqatlh bISaQ, =
ghu? ghe=E2=80=99=E2=80=99orDaq Duqeng=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 molor? =
nIjoy=E2=80=99taH=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 romuluSnganpu=E2=80=99? betleH =
Daghuppu=E2=80=99=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99? burghlIj rorDaq betleH =
tu=E2=80=99lu=E2=80=99=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99?=E2=80=9D
It=E2=80=99s scientifically shown that speakers instinctively use tone =
language appropriate to infant learning, so just carry one talking to =
the kids, and they=E2=80=99ll get that it=E2=80=99s talking. For bodily =
functions that we lack Klingon words for, but that make up a lot of an =
infant=E2=80=99s output, you can always describe it: Sub, Hurgh, taS =
SuD, law=E2=80=99, He=E2=80=99So=E2=80=99, pIw, buy=E2=80=99 =
yopwaHHom/ghu yopwaH/puch yopwaH (I think those all work, but I might =
guess that the last were the pull up kind designed for kids to =
transition to actually using the puch.=20
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I agree that HIvje=E2=80=99 is fine for bottle, as is bal. If =
there=E2=80=99s any confusion, then say HIvje=E2=80=99lIj. =20
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Maybe one of my lorpu=E2=80=99 will have a child and ask their crazy =
=E2=80=98e=E2=80=99mam to babysit. :-)
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- Qov
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From: Elizabeth Lawrence [mailto:elizabeth.lawrence08@gmail.com]=20
Sent: March 7, 2015 7:57
To: tlhInganHol discussion group
Subject: [Tlhingan-hol] Child-related vocabulary
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Does anyone (D'Armond?) have a compendium of child-related vocabulary, =
perhaps with some work-arounds for specific baby terminology?
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I know there are at lest a few of us on the list who are newly arrived =
at parenthood, and it would be nice to benefit from the wisdom of those =
who have gone before.
=20
It might even be nice to make a section of the website about using =
Klingon with children, to include key vocabulary, some kid-friendly =
songs (I have a lullaby to start that section off), and some stories. =
It would be particularly nice to make a few Klingon-language picture =
books (I have most of the text of one worked out, though I would require =
the assistance of someone with an artistic bent if I want to finish that =
project). If we actually published a Klingon picture book, it would =
double as both a resource for beginners and a coffee-table curiosity for =
nonspeakers, so I think its probably worthwhile.
=20
I will start by listing all the baby-related vocab I can think of off =
the top of my head:
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Completely canonical vocab:
ghu - baby
SoS - mother
SoSoy - mommy
vav - father
vavoy - daddy
puqloD - son
puqbe' - daughter
(All other family relationship terms also)
paq - book
nIm - milk
ghung - be hungry
Say' - be clean
lam - be dirty
QaD - be dry
bol - drool
bom - sing/song
rop - be ill/sick
Hagh - laugh
ghoj - learn
parHa' - like
par - dislike
Quch - be happy
chuS - be noisy
tam - be quiet
(body parts)
(clothing)
reH - play
Quj - play a game
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attempts at glossing baby specific terms:
Crib - ghu QongDaq (baby bed) or mo' QongDaq (cage bed)
bottle - ghu Hivje' (baby drinking glass - sippy cup also?) or nIm =
ngaSwI' (milk container)
Diaper - ghu yopwaH (baby pants) or puch yopwaH (toilet pants)
toy - reHvaD Doch (item for playing)
stuffed animal - Sajqoq tun (soft fake pet)
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I would particularly appreciate feedback on the attempted glosses, =
especially other suggested translations, and terms people have used for =
these or other baby items/activities. (also please let me know if there =
is a canon term for something I've tried to gloss).
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D'>When I play with kids in Klingon they can count on having their =
fingers and toes enumerated, a rousing game of =E2=80=9Cnuq =
=E2=80=98oH?=E2=80=9D and lots of =E2=80=9CnuqDaq =E2=80=98oH =
XlIj=E2=80=99e=E2=80=99?=E2=80=9D ---- vISampu=E2=80=99! =
DaSampu=E2=80=99! When they scream I speculate as to culturally =
appropriate things that might cause the screaming, =E2=80=9Cqatlh bISaQ, =
ghu? ghe=E2=80=99=E2=80=99orDaq Duqeng=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 molor?=C2=A0 =
nIjoy=E2=80=99taH=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 romuluSnganpu=E2=80=99? betleH =
Daghuppu=E2=80=99=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99? burghlIj rorDaq betleH =
tu=E2=80=99lu=E2=80=99=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99?=E2=80=9D<br><br>It=E2=80=99s =
scientifically shown that =C2=A0speakers instinctively use tone language =
appropriate to infant learning, so just carry one talking to the kids, =
and they=E2=80=99ll get that it=E2=80=99s talking. For bodily functions =
that we lack Klingon words for, but that make up a lot of an =
infant=E2=80=99s output, you can always describe it: Sub, Hurgh, taS =
SuD, law=E2=80=99, He=E2=80=99So=E2=80=99, pIw, buy=E2=80=99 =
yopwaHHom/ghu yopwaH/puch yopwaH (I think those all work, but I might =
guess that the last were the pull up kind designed for kids to =
transition to actually using the puch. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I agree that HIvje=E2=80=99 is fine for bottle, as is bal. If =
there=E2=80=99s any confusion, then say HIvje=E2=80=99lIj.=C2=A0 =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Maybe one of my lorpu=E2=80=99 will have a child and ask their crazy =
=E2=80=98e=E2=80=99mam to babysit. :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>- Qov<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Elizabeth =
Lawrence [mailto:elizabeth.lawrence08@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> March =
7, 2015 7:57<br><b>To:</b> tlhInganHol discussion =
group<br><b>Subject:</b> [Tlhingan-hol] Child-related =
vocabulary<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Does =
anyone (D'Armond?) have a compendium of child-related vocabulary, =
perhaps with some work-arounds for specific baby =
terminology?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
know there are at lest a few of us on the list who are newly arrived at =
parenthood, and it would be nice to benefit from the wisdom of those who =
have gone before.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>It might even be nice to make a section of the website =
about using Klingon with children, to include key vocabulary, some =
kid-friendly songs (I have a lullaby to start that section off), and =
some stories. It would be particularly nice to make a few =
Klingon-language picture books (I have most of the text of one worked =
out, though I would require the assistance of someone with an artistic =
bent if I want to finish that project). If we actually published a =
Klingon picture book, it would double as both a resource for beginners =
and a coffee-table curiosity for nonspeakers, so I think its probably =
worthwhile.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
will start by listing all the baby-related vocab I can think of off the =
top of my head:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Completely canonical =
vocab:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>ghu - =
baby<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>SoS - =
mother<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>SoSoy - =
mommy<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>vav - =
father<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>vavoy - =
daddy<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>puqloD - =
son<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>puqbe' - =
daughter<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>(All other family =
relationship terms also)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>paq - book<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>nIm - milk<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>ghung - be hungry<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Say' - be clean<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>lam - be dirty<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>QaD - be dry<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>bol - drool<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>bom - sing/song<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>rop - be ill/sick<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Hagh - laugh<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>ghoj - learn<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>parHa' - like<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>par - dislike<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Quch - be happy<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>chuS - be noisy<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>tam - be quiet<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>(body parts)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>(clothing)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>reH - play<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Quj - play a game<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>attempts at glossing baby specific =
terms:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Crib - ghu QongDaq =
(baby bed) or mo' QongDaq (cage bed)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>bottle - ghu Hivje' (baby drinking glass - sippy cup =
also?) or nIm ngaSwI' (milk container)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Diaper - ghu yopwaH (baby pants) or puch yopwaH =
(toilet pants)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>toy - =
reHvaD Doch (item for playing)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>stuffed animal - Sajqoq tun (soft fake =
pet)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
would particularly appreciate feedback on the attempted glosses, =
especially other suggested translations, and terms people have used for =
these or other baby items/activities. (also please let me know if there =
is a canon term for something I've tried to =
gloss).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>be''etlh<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>
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