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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] FW: Nonsense words
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Tue Feb 24 18:20:02 2015
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>, tlhIngan Hol mailing list
<tlhIngan-Hol@kli.org>
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 23:19:22 +0000
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> Maktag
>maqtagh: a klingon month or season (n) [From "New Ground" (TNG). At least =
43 days long.]
>Is anyone familiar enough with this TNG novel to know whether
> maqtagh was supposed to be a particular season, analogous
> perhaps to "monsoon" or "spring" or a generic word for a
> seasonal time period?
Not a novel, actually, but an episode.
Alexander Rozhenko, son of Worf, was born on the 43rd day of Maktag. It's n=
ot specified if it's a month or a season.
The book Excelsior: Forged in Fire treats it as a month.
(It also treats Klingon years as being precisely the same length as Earth y=
ears, which flies in the face of Star Trek canon.)
________________________________
From: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 00:07
To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list
Subject: [Tlhingan-hol] FW: Nonsense words
From a conversation with my primary contact on the Microsoft Bing team.
---
I found this online (http://www.angelfire.com/md/startrekkie1701/klindic.ht=
ml -- careful, this site seems weird and may contain malware)
Maktag
maqtagh: a klingon month or season (n) [From "New Ground" (TNG). At least 4=
3 days long.]
Somehow the wrong spelling of Maktag made it into a training text file, whe=
re I can see
maqtagh --> month
maqtagh --> season
i.e. possibly someone originally found the site above and added words / sen=
tences to one of the training files.
And so the engine learned that.
We have to remove and retrain.
We have an efficient way to change bad translation, but not a good way to '=
remove' words or phrases altogether..
..what I can do easily (we do these once a week) is to replace the wrong tr=
anslation from English to Klingon.
i.e. "month" and "season" right now translate to "maqtagh".. what would be =
a better translation for "season"?
---
Some well-meaning individual has managed to add Angelfire to our learning f=
iles, and like glitter in the carpet, it will be everywhere unless we can p=
ick it out grain by grain. Is anyone familiar enough with this TNG novel t=
o know whether maqtagh was supposed to be a particular season, analogous pe=
rhaps to "monsoon" or "spring" or a generic word for a seasonal time period=
?
- Qov
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<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans=
-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang=3D"EN-US">> Maktag
</span>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang=3D"EN-US">>maqt=
agh: a klingon month or season (n) [From "New Ground" (TNG). At l=
east 43 days long.]</span></p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><span style=3D"color:#1F497D" lang=3D"EN-US">>Is anyone familiar enou=
gh with this TNG novel to know whether</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:#1F497D" lang=3D"EN-US">> maqtagh was supposed t=
o be a particular season, analogous</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:#1F497D" lang=3D"EN-US">> perhaps to “mons=
oon” or “spring” or a generic word for a</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:#1F497D" lang=3D"EN-US">> seasonal time period?<=
/span><br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Not a novel, actually, but an episode.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Alexander Rozhenko, son of Worf, was born on the 43rd day of Maktag. It'=
s not specified if it's a month or a season.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>The book Excelsior: Forged in Fire treats it as a month.</p>
<p>(It also treats Klingon years as being precisely the same length as Eart=
h years, which flies in the face of Star Trek canon.)</p>
<p><br>
</p>
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obyn@flyingstart.ca><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 25, 2015 00:07<br>
<b>To:</b> tlhIngan Hol mailing list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Tlhingan-hol] FW: Nonsense words</font>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">From a conversation wit=
h my primary contact on the Microsoft Bing team.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">---</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang=3D"EN-US">I found =
this online (<a href=3D"http://www.angelfire.com/md/startrekkie1701/klindic=
.html">http://www.angelfire.com/md/startrekkie1701/klindic.html</a>
-- careful, this site seems weird and may contain malware)</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang=3D"EN-US">Maktag
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang=3D"EN-US">maqtagh:=
a klingon month or season (n) [From "New Ground" (TNG). At least=
43 days long.]</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang=3D"EN-US"> </=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang=3D"EN-US">Somehow =
the wrong spelling of Maktag made it into a training text file, where I can=
see</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang=3D"EN-US"> </=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang=3D"EN-US">maqtagh&=
nbsp; &nbs=
p;
</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Wingdings; color:#1F497=
D" lang=3D"EN-US">=E0</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang=3D"EN-US">&nb=
sp; month</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang=3D"EN-US">maqtagh&=
nbsp; &nbs=
p;
</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Wingdings; color:#1F497=
D" lang=3D"EN-US">=E0</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang=3D"EN-US">&nb=
sp; season</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang=3D"EN-US"> </=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang=3D"EN-US">i.e. pos=
sibly someone originally found the site above and added words / sentences t=
o one of the training files.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang=3D"EN-US"> </=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang=3D"EN-US">And so t=
he engine learned that.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang=3D"EN-US">We have =
to remove and retrain.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang=3D"EN-US">We have =
an efficient way to change bad translation, but not a good way to ‘re=
move’ words or phrases altogether..
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang=3D"EN-US">..what I=
can do easily (we do these once a week) is to replace the wrong translatio=
n from English to Klingon.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang=3D"EN-US">i.e. =
220;month” and “season” right now translate to “maq=
tagh”.. what would be a better translation for “season”?<=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang=3D"EN-US">---<br>
</span><span style=3D"color:#1F497D" lang=3D"EN-US">Some well-meaning indiv=
idual has managed to add Angelfire to our learning files, and like glitter =
in the carpet, it will be everywhere unless we can pick it out grain by gra=
in. Is anyone familiar enough with
this TNG novel to know whether maqtagh was supposed to be a particular sea=
son, analogous perhaps to “monsoon” or “spring” or =
a generic word for a seasonal time period? <br>
<br>
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang=3D"EN-US">- Qov</s=
pan></p>
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