[100287] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] FW: Nonsense words
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Tue Feb 24 22:56:50 2015
From: "Robyn Stewart" <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
To: "'tlhIngan Hol mailing list'" <tlhIngan-Hol@kli.org>
In-Reply-To: <1424819964840.95236@kth.se>
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 19:56:28 -0800
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Perfect. That=92s just what I was hoping: it=92s the name of a =
*particular*
month=97in a particular culture on a particular planet. So I don=92t =
have to
disprove it.
Now if everyone, of any ability, would write me a few Klingon sentences
whose English translation contains the word =93month=94 or =93season=94 =
we can
retrain it. Don=92t stretch yourself. Write within your ability. E-mail =
to me,
include the English translation and then I will post the list for us to =
typo
check.
=20
- Qov
=20
From: Felix Malmenbeck [mailto:felixm@kth.se]=20
Sent: February 24, 2015 15:19
> Maktag=20
>maqtagh: a klingon month or season (n) [From "New Ground" (TNG). At =
least
43 days long.]
=20
>Is anyone familiar enough with this TNG novel to know whether
> maqtagh was supposed to be a particular season, analogous
> perhaps to =93monsoon=94 or =93spring=94 or a generic word for a
> seasonal time period?
=20
Not a novel, actually, but an episode.
=20
Alexander Rozhenko, son of Worf, was born on the 43rd day of Maktag. =
It's
not specified if it's a month or a season.
=20
The book Excelsior: Forged in Fire treats it as a month.
(It also treats Klingon years as being precisely the same length as =
Earth
years, which flies in the face of Star Trek canon.)
=20
_____ =20
From: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 00:07
To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list
Subject: [Tlhingan-hol] FW: Nonsense words=20
=20
From a conversation with my primary contact on the Microsoft Bing team.=20
---
I found this online
(http://www.angelfire.com/md/startrekkie1701/klindic.html -- careful, =
this
site seems weird and may contain malware)
Maktag=20
maqtagh: a klingon month or season (n) [From "New Ground" (TNG). At =
least 43
days long.]
=20
Somehow the wrong spelling of Maktag made it into a training text file,
where I can see
=20
maqtagh =E0 month
maqtagh =E0 season
=20
i.e. possibly someone originally found the site above and added words /
sentences to one of the training files.
=20
And so the engine learned that.
We have to remove and retrain.
We have an efficient way to change bad translation, but not a good way =
to
=91remove=92 words or phrases altogether..=20
..what I can do easily (we do these once a week) is to replace the wrong
translation from English to Klingon.
i.e. =93month=94 and =93season=94 right now translate to =93maqtagh=94.. =
what would be a
better translation for =93season=94?
---
Some well-meaning individual has managed to add Angelfire to our =
learning
files, and like glitter in the carpet, it will be everywhere unless we =
can
pick it out grain by grain. Is anyone familiar enough with this TNG =
novel
to know whether maqtagh was supposed to be a particular season, =
analogous
perhaps to =93monsoon=94 or =93spring=94 or a generic word for a =
seasonal time
period? =20
- Qov
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Perfect. That’s just what I was hoping: it’s the name of =
a *<b>particular</b>* month—in a particular culture on a =
particular planet. So I don’t have to disprove it.<br><br>Now if =
everyone, of any ability, would write me a few Klingon sentences =
=A0whose English translation contains the word “month” or =
“season” we can retrain it. Don’t stretch yourself. =
Write within your ability. E-mail to me, include the English translation =
and then I will post the list for us to typo =
check.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>- Qov<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Felix =
Malmenbeck [mailto:felixm@kth.se] <br><b>Sent:</b> February 24, 2015 =
15:19<br><br></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>> Maktag </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>>maqtagh: a klingon month or season (n) [From "New =
Ground" (TNG). At least 43 days long.]</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p=
></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>Is anyone =
familiar enough with this TNG novel to know whether</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>> maqtagh =
was supposed to be a particular season, analogous</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>> perhaps =
to “monsoon” or “spring” or a generic word for =
a</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>> seasonal =
time period?</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p=
></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Not a novel, =
actually, but an episode.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p=
></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Alexander =
Rozhenko, son of Worf, was born on the 43rd day of Maktag. It's not =
specified if it's a month or a season.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p=
></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The book =
Excelsior: Forged in Fire treats it as a =
month.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>(It also treats =
Klingon years as being precisely the same length as Earth years, which =
flies in the face of Star Trek canon.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p=
></span></p><div><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'text-align:center'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121'><hr size=3D2 =
width=3D"98%" align=3Dcenter></span></div><div id=3DdivRplyFwdMsg><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
> Robyn Stewart <<a =
href=3D"mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca">robyn@flyingstart.ca</a>><br><b>S=
ent:</b> Wednesday, February 25, 2015 00:07<br><b>To:</b> tlhIngan Hol =
mailing list<br><b>Subject:</b> [Tlhingan-hol] FW: Nonsense =
words</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121'> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121'> <o:p></o=
:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>From a conversation with my primary contact on the Microsoft Bing =
team. </span><span style=3D'color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>---</span><span style=3D'color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I found this online (<a =
href=3D"http://www.angelfire.com/md/startrekkie1701/klindic.html">http://=
www.angelfire.com/md/startrekkie1701/klindic.html</a> -- careful, this =
site seems weird and may contain malware)</span><span =
style=3D'color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Maktag </span><span style=3D'color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>maqtagh: a klingon month or season (n) [From "New Ground" =
(TNG). At least 43 days long.]</span><span =
style=3D'color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><span style=3D'color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Somehow the wrong spelling of Maktag made it into a training text =
file, where I can see</span><span =
style=3D'color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><span style=3D'color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>maqtagh &nb=
sp; </span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>=E0</span>=
<span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> =
month</span><span style=3D'color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>maqtagh &nb=
sp; </span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>=E0</span>=
<span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> =
season</span><span style=3D'color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><span style=3D'color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>i.e. possibly someone originally found the site above and added words =
/ sentences to one of the training files.</span><span =
style=3D'color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><span style=3D'color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>And so the engine learned that.</span><span =
style=3D'color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>We have to remove and retrain.</span><span =
style=3D'color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>We have an efficient way to change bad translation, but not a good =
way to ‘remove’ words or phrases altogether.. </span><span =
style=3D'color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>..what I can do easily (we do these once a week) is to replace the =
wrong translation from English to Klingon.</span><span =
style=3D'color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>i.e. “month” and “season” right now translate =
to “maqtagh”.. what would be a better translation for =
“season”?</span><span =
style=3D'color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>---<br></span><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Some =
well-meaning individual has managed to add Angelfire to our learning =
files, and like glitter in the carpet, it will be everywhere unless we =
can pick it out grain by grain. Is anyone familiar enough with =
this TNG novel to know whether maqtagh was supposed to be a particular =
season, analogous perhaps to “monsoon” or =
“spring” or a generic word for a seasonal time period? =
</span><span style=3D'color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>- Qov</span><span =
style=3D'color:#212121'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></b=
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