[23858] in APO-L
Re: [APO-L] APO House rule
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rachel)
Thu Aug 28 11:24:54 2003
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:24:07 -0700
Reply-To: Rachel <iceangel99@yahoo.com>
From: Rachel <iceangel99@yahoo.com>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0308280854570.22646-100000@daffy.dardan.com>
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First of all, by stating "Chapter property" i was mostly referring to the property of the chapter located within the said office (ritual materials, furniture, papers, other misc. office things). Offices are not owned by the fraternity, but on the other hand, neither are all fraternity houses. Some fraternity houses are owned by universities as a way of controlling the Greek community. Rochester Institute of Technology in Rochester, NY recently built very nice fraternity/sorority houses on its campus. Miami University in Oxford, Ohio's sorority housing is all located in sorority dorms on campus. So who do they call when the roof leaks? they call campus maintenance. The university takes some of the liability off of the fraternity itself because it can more easily regulate what goes on in these places--i.e. they must be in compliance with university rules on alcohol, etc. Heavy penalties can be placed on these greek organizations not only by the national organization it!
self, but
the university as well. Also, since it is University property, it's a lot like deciding whether to live on or off campus. If you do not live there, you don't pay the extra 1,000 or whatever per semester. I'm not saying that this is what APhiO should have, but it is a situation that may work on campuses where it is available.
Rachel Kuhn
Section 89 staff
Zeta Delta alum
Graduate student, Syracuse University School of Education
Packy Anderson <packy@dardan.com> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Rachel wrote:
> So, packy, are you thus saying that maintaining chapter property in
> general is not service to the fraternity? Think of it this way. Some
> chapters have offices. (shortened for brevity)
Trust me, maintaining an office pales in comparison to maintaining a house.
The minimal effort involved in maintaining an office is worth the benefits
it provides to the fraternity. However, when you scale that up to a HOUSE,
the benefits to the fraternity don't increase. The added benefits of a
house over an office primarily serve the membership, not the fraternity.
In addition, chapters do not OWN their offices: they are issued them by
their educational institutions. If the roof leaks, they call maintenance,
and it's dealt with without their involvement. If my house's roof leaks, I
either have to climb up there and fix it, or I have to dig out the cash to
hire someone else to do so. THAT's what maintenance means; it's not just
keeping a place tidy, it's fixing it when it breaks, doing all of the
necessary grounds work, paying the taxes, etc.
Given that a house is orders of magnitude more work than maintaining an
office, it's a bad investment of fraternity time and resources. And that's
something that was realized long before any of the other arguments against
it (partying, co-ed living arrangements, risk management) were even
imagined.
YiLFS,
-packy
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<DIV>First of all, by stating "Chapter property" i was mostly referring to the property of the chapter located within the said office (ritual materials, furniture, papers, other misc. office things). Offices are not owned by the fraternity, but on the other hand, neither are all fraternity houses. Some fraternity houses are owned by universities as a way of controlling the Greek community. Rochester Institute of Technology in Rochester, NY recently built very nice fraternity/sorority houses on its campus. Miami University in Oxford, Ohio's sorority housing is all located in sorority dorms on campus. So who do they call when the roof leaks? they call campus maintenance. The university takes some of the liability off of the fraternity itself because it can more easily regulate what goes on in these places--i.e. they must be in compliance with university rules on alcohol, etc. Heavy penalties can be placed on these !
greek
organizations not only by the national organization itself, but the university as well. Also, since it is University property, it's a lot like deciding whether to live on or off campus. If you do not live there, you don't pay the extra 1,000 or whatever per semester. I'm not saying that this is what APhiO should have, but it is a situation that may work on campuses where it is available. </DIV>
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<DIV>Rachel Kuhn</DIV>
<DIV>Section 89 staff</DIV>
<DIV>Zeta Delta alum</DIV>
<DIV>Graduate student, Syracuse University School of Education</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><B><I>Packy Anderson <packy@dardan.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Rachel wrote:<BR>> So, packy, are you thus saying that maintaining chapter property in<BR>> general is not service to the fraternity? Think of it this way. Some<BR>> chapters have offices. (shortened for brevity)<BR><BR>Trust me, maintaining an office pales in comparison to maintaining a house.<BR>The minimal effort involved in maintaining an office is worth the benefits<BR>it provides to the fraternity. However, when you scale that up to a HOUSE,<BR>the benefits to the fraternity don't increase. The added benefits of a<BR>house over an office primarily serve the membership, not the fraternity.<BR><BR>In addition, chapters do not OWN their offices: they are issued them by<BR>their educational institutions. If the roof leaks, they call maintenance,<BR>and it's dealt with without their involvement. If my house's roof leaks, I<BR>either have to clim!
b up
there and fix it, or I have to dig out the cash to<BR>hire someone else to do so. THAT's what maintenance means; it's not just<BR>keeping a place tidy, it's fixing it when it breaks, doing all of the<BR>necessary grounds work, paying the taxes, etc.<BR><BR>Given that a house is orders of magnitude more work than maintaining an<BR>office, it's a bad investment of fraternity time and resources. And that's<BR>something that was realized long before any of the other arguments against<BR>it (partying, co-ed living arrangements, risk management) were even<BR>imagined.<BR><BR>YiLFS,<BR>-packy<BR><BR>--<BR>Packy Anderson packy@dardan.com<BR><BR>Q) How would you describe yourself in three words?<BR><BR>A) I mean well. -- Tom Baker, Dr. Who #4</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><p><hr SIZE=1>
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