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Re: [APO-L] Fraternity History (was Pre-convention greetings)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Randy Finder)
Tue Dec 10 13:46:27 2002
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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:45:16 -0400
Reply-To: Randy Finder <naraht@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU>
From: Randy Finder <naraht@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
In-Reply-To: <1039541077.3df62355391f2@alfred.roanoke.edu>
On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Adam Gottlieb, Alpha Beta Psi wrote:
> but even if we have a history book, there will always be fights about which
> version of history is the correct one. That's the science of history. So,
> having a history book won't dispell issues raised in this discussion.
Actually, the more infomration that is there, the fewer complainst there
have generally been about the correctness of what is actually there. The
AyPhiQue chapters have complained that the History book does not include
"their history", but I think that some of that would have been taken care
of if one or more of the historically black chapters had been included in
the Chapter Histories in Chapter 11 of the book, but from what I
understand at the time, none were submitted.
While we have progressed in time where the primary sources have been lost
(the founders themselves), the secondary sources appear to be quite
available, ranging from the Past Nat Pres's to the Chief's Daughter.
The question in many ways is how much of this history should/needs to be
taught to the pledges and how much is relevant today. Bill Clinton
pledged, but is the fact that if his pledging process were duplicated by a
chapter today they would probably be suspended and possibly revoked
relevant? (the equivalent question beyond the fraternity level is when do
you teach Jefferson & the Louisiana Purchase and when do you teach
Jefferson and Sally Hemmings)
YiLFS
Randolph Finder
>
> L,F,S
> Adam
>
> Quoting Rashid Darden <rashid01@hotmail.com>:
>
> > Which is EXACTLY why we need an updated history book that is widely
> > available.
> >
> > Support http://www.convention.apo.org/leg/fin044.html!
> >
> > YiLFS
> > Rashid Darden
> > (Yes, THAT Rashid Darden)
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alpha Phi Omega Discussion List [mailto:APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU]
> > On Behalf Of Randy Finder
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 8:01 AM
> > To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
> > Subject: [APO-L] Fraternity History (was Pre-convention greetings)
> >
> > On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Joel Bryant wrote:
> >
> > > To: Mike Brown, "Fuzzy Logic", and all interested
> > > Bros.
> > >
> > > more than haze.That is a myth. Our history (20
> > > Founding Fathers,Lafayette Univ. etc.) and Service was
> >
> > I think you mean Lafayette College. While a graduate student (Lawrence
> > Conover) did join Alpha Phi Omega in the first year, the school's post
> > Bachelor Programs have never been strong enough to support the school
> > making an application for University status with their local accreding
> > board, and in fact they have no post bachelor programs at this time.
> >
> > I presume that by 20 founders you are refering to the 14 student
> > founders
> > and the 6 advisors listed in the pledge manual (McCracken, Wyland,
> > HGHorton, Prentice, Hatch and Spengler). I find the concept of 20
> > founders
> > to be just a little skewed.
> >
> > Dr. Ray O. Wyland for example had never even dealt with Frank Reed
> > Horton until after Alpha's chapter Chartering on December 14th, 1925.
> > Frank Reed Horton and Herbert G. Horton travelled up to BSA Headquarters
> > in New York (BSA HQ moved to Texas in the 1970s) during the spring of
> > 1926 and talked to Dr. Wyland about the formation of Alpha Phi Omega. At
> > this meeting Dr. Wyland said that BSA would not officially recognized
> > Alpha Phi Omega until it had survived for 5 years. We certainly did so
> > and
> > Dr. Wyland did help communicate information on APO around BSA even
> > before
> > official recognition.
> >
> > However Dr. Wyland was willing to travel to the first annual banquet of
> > Alpha Phi Omega on May 20th, 1926. At that point he became a brother of
> > Alpha Phi Omega along with 8 other students and Professor Harry E.
> > Brown.
> > In fact at that Banquet, Raymond Jacoby, a brother who had been
> > initiated
> > earlier in the spring (along with several others including Josiah
> > Frank),
> > was chapter Grand Master (equivalent to chapter president).
> >
> > So it is my belief that to refer to him as a founder is a disservice. He
> > wasn't there when we were founded, he was made an advisor at the same
> > time
> > as a Lafayette advisor who is not considered a founder and became a
> > brother months after Josiah Frank, who is not considered a founder even
> > though he is the first historian for the fraternity.
> >
> >
> > Sources:
> > Lafayette College Admissions
> > National History Book (1992)
> > Our Heritage: History of the Founding of Alpha Phi Omega by Ralph W.
> > Widener (1965)
> > Pledge Manual (2001)
> >
> >
> > YiLFS
> > Randolph Finder
> > Section 84 staff
> >
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> > Leadership, Friendship and Service - Alpha Phi Omega
> >
>
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