[23266] in APO-L
Re: [APO-L] Fraternity History (was Pre-convention greetings)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Adam Gottlieb, Alpha Beta Psi)
Tue Dec 10 12:31:38 2002
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:24:37 -0500
Reply-To: agottlie@roanoke.edu
From: "Adam Gottlieb, Alpha Beta Psi" <agottlie@roanoke.edu>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
In-Reply-To: <000601c2a057$2928e4e0$a9c6f943@dardenre>
but even if we have a history book, there will always be fights about which
version of history is the correct one. That's the science of history. So,
having a history book won't dispell issues raised in this discussion.
L,F,S
Adam
Quoting Rashid Darden <rashid01@hotmail.com>:
> Which is EXACTLY why we need an updated history book that is widely
> available.
>
> Support http://www.convention.apo.org/leg/fin044.html!
>
> YiLFS
> Rashid Darden
> (Yes, THAT Rashid Darden)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alpha Phi Omega Discussion List [mailto:APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU]
> On Behalf Of Randy Finder
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 8:01 AM
> To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
> Subject: [APO-L] Fraternity History (was Pre-convention greetings)
>
> On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Joel Bryant wrote:
>
> > To: Mike Brown, "Fuzzy Logic", and all interested
> > Bros.
> >
> > more than haze.That is a myth. Our history (20
> > Founding Fathers,Lafayette Univ. etc.) and Service was
>
> I think you mean Lafayette College. While a graduate student (Lawrence
> Conover) did join Alpha Phi Omega in the first year, the school's post
> Bachelor Programs have never been strong enough to support the school
> making an application for University status with their local accreding
> board, and in fact they have no post bachelor programs at this time.
>
> I presume that by 20 founders you are refering to the 14 student
> founders
> and the 6 advisors listed in the pledge manual (McCracken, Wyland,
> HGHorton, Prentice, Hatch and Spengler). I find the concept of 20
> founders
> to be just a little skewed.
>
> Dr. Ray O. Wyland for example had never even dealt with Frank Reed
> Horton until after Alpha's chapter Chartering on December 14th, 1925.
> Frank Reed Horton and Herbert G. Horton travelled up to BSA Headquarters
> in New York (BSA HQ moved to Texas in the 1970s) during the spring of
> 1926 and talked to Dr. Wyland about the formation of Alpha Phi Omega. At
> this meeting Dr. Wyland said that BSA would not officially recognized
> Alpha Phi Omega until it had survived for 5 years. We certainly did so
> and
> Dr. Wyland did help communicate information on APO around BSA even
> before
> official recognition.
>
> However Dr. Wyland was willing to travel to the first annual banquet of
> Alpha Phi Omega on May 20th, 1926. At that point he became a brother of
> Alpha Phi Omega along with 8 other students and Professor Harry E.
> Brown.
> In fact at that Banquet, Raymond Jacoby, a brother who had been
> initiated
> earlier in the spring (along with several others including Josiah
> Frank),
> was chapter Grand Master (equivalent to chapter president).
>
> So it is my belief that to refer to him as a founder is a disservice. He
> wasn't there when we were founded, he was made an advisor at the same
> time
> as a Lafayette advisor who is not considered a founder and became a
> brother months after Josiah Frank, who is not considered a founder even
> though he is the first historian for the fraternity.
>
>
> Sources:
> Lafayette College Admissions
> National History Book (1992)
> Our Heritage: History of the Founding of Alpha Phi Omega by Ralph W.
> Widener (1965)
> Pledge Manual (2001)
>
>
> YiLFS
> Randolph Finder
> Section 84 staff
>
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