[23103] in APO-L
Re: [APO-L] Joel Bryant
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (JayBEE!)
Tue Nov 5 23:38:55 2002
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:38:34 -0500
Reply-To: JayBEE! <JayBEE@25-52.ZZN.COM>
From: JayBEE! <JayBEE@25-52.ZZN.COM>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
<html><head><meta Name='keywords' Content='commtouch, pronto, mail, free email, free, branded, web based, free web based email, communications, internet, software, advertising banners, e-mail, free software'></head><body ><div align='left'><font ><blockquote><blockquote><TT>JayBEE:<BR>
I impressed by your initial humbleness, I have got plenty to do, <BR>
but <BR>
I felt like your statements were worthy of knowledge. When a person<BR>
says... <BR>
<BR>
Brown:<BR>
"While I don't claim to fulling understand what it is to be a Que..."<BR>
<BR>
JayBEE:<BR>
It lends an avenue for open ears. And without them you can not <BR>
begin <BR>
to understand. Because with a close mind you can only create from <BR>
your<BR>
own imagination. Thanks.<BR>
<BR>
Brown:<BR>
I have no problem with all-male chapters in APO. I, in fact, feel <BR>
that the Fraternity SHOULD allow for the establishment/re-<BR>
establishment <BR>
of all-male chapters, but ONLY in the case where the schools <BR>
administration requests/requires it. <BR>
<BR>
JayBEE:<BR>
Thanks. Your open views are refreshing.<BR>
<BR>
Brown:<BR>
Unfortunately, I am frankly sick and tired of some of the attitude <BR>
I see displayed by some Ques. I don't know if this shows a general <BR>
attitude amoung all Ques, or just of a small group. <BR>
<BR>
JayBEE:<BR>
It all depends on your version of what a Que is. No Ay-Phi-Que <BR>
would <BR>
ever call themselves simply a "Que" I can say that factually because<BR>
I know the nature of an Ay-Phi-Que. Some guys are just flustrated <BR>
beyond<BR>
repair. Others have patience, but also have hope. While still <BR>
others<BR>
have determined that because of the changes within, they've realized <BR>
Alpha<BR>
Phi Omega is not for them. Family becomes more important than an <BR>
organization that was preceived to be never in your corner because <BR>
you <BR>
were culturally out of sync with the majority.<BR>
<BR>
Brown:<BR>
APO is co-ed. Its been co-ed since 1976. <BR>
<BR>
JayBEE:<BR>
Man, you see If we had on the table to create a completely coed <BR>
organization<BR>
in 1976, do you think it would have been passed? In 1976, we <BR>
created female<BR>
membership. And gave chapters the right to determine there own <BR>
membership.<BR>
I know I'm right about that one. But I heard one guy state that in <BR>
1986, they<BR>
"re-affirmed" the 1976 decision. Which is simply not true. What <BR>
happen in 1976 <BR>
happened in 1976 and what happen in 1986 happened in 1986. <BR>
<BR>
Brown:<BR>
It will not and cannot go back to being all-male. GET OVER IT!!! <BR>
<BR>
JayBEE:<BR>
Right, All Ay-Phi-Ques know this. Mentioning this here is totally<BR>
unneccessary. Ay-Phi-Ques should never ask for Alpha Phi Omega <BR>
National <BR>
Service Fraternity to be nothing more that what it is. It must have <BR>
been something just wanted to get off your chest. With the <BR>
organization<BR>
being 60 percent female at the undergraduate level, who can hope for <BR>
it to be anything else than what it is, an organization of brothers.<BR>
The only thing that the can hope for is student freedom. No <BR>
fraternal<BR>
mandate, quota's or the pressures of demographic simularities. Just <BR>
a<BR>
straight, do your service, pay your fees and your group is in. <BR>
There is <BR>
more paperwork to go through than should be allowed just to be a <BR>
petitioning<BR>
group. <BR>
<BR>
Brown:<BR>
You complain about 'us' not recognizing the great history and <BR>
traditions <BR>
of APQ, well you need to learn the history of APO!<BR>
<BR>
JayBEE:<BR>
And after that one page is read then what. I think it was a coed <BR>
brother<BR>
who stated that we should treasure the initial history books. I <BR>
personaly <BR>
have an interest to read the history book that what published in <BR>
1927. But<BR>
I have some history that have 8 pages more than we have in our <BR>
current pledge<BR>
manuals. With all the females who are in Alpha Phi Omega, I think <BR>
it was <BR>
great that they mentioned them in the manual as well. Of course, I <BR>
wouldn't<BR>
have done it at the expense of the lenght of fraternity's history.<BR>
<BR>
Brown:<BR>
We are ALL Brothers in APO. Accept it. I was less then pleased <BR>
with the <BR>
emails sent out about Joel Bryant which only addressed Joel as <BR>
a "Brother" <BR>
and ignored the other four Brothers named in it as such. <BR>
<BR>
JayBEE:<BR>
Brown, wasn't Joel the only brother that these accusations were <BR>
filed <BR>
against? Isn't his membership the item at hand. It may have been <BR>
the other<BR>
four brothers who send in a complaint. Maybe the information that <BR>
they <BR>
spoke of, they had no Idea that Joel would be hit like he was on a <BR>
most<BR>
wanted hit list.<BR>
<BR>
Brown:<BR>
Actives run the Fraternity. <BR>
<BR>
JayBEE:<BR>
No, the national board runs this fraternity. Let me know <BR>
otherwise. <BR>
<BR>
Brown:<BR>
I'm not happy with what seems to be the general attitude from the <BR>
Ques <BR>
that alumni should be running the show.<BR>
<BR>
JayBEE:<BR>
You have the "Ques" of Alpha Phi Omega pegged wrong. Alumni should <BR>
not <BR>
be "running the show" They are and will always be in an advisory <BR>
capacity.<BR>
Now the alumnistic National Board is another story. I think it <BR>
would be<BR>
nice to have an undgraduate Regional Director. Some how I don't <BR>
think that<BR>
was where you were going. <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Brown:<BR>
Get in line with how things work today, and you'll have a greater <BR>
accepance <BR>
from other APO Brothers.<BR>
<BR>
JayBEE:<BR>
Greater acceptance? I know of petitioning groups that have done <BR>
everything <BR>
that they need to do. Even put on a remarkable sectional conference <BR>
in 1999, <BR>
and still haven't gotten chapter status. Acceptance, I don't think <BR>
is <BR>
desired. Wanting to be free to be who they want to be is more of <BR>
the desire<BR>
of the day. Because you know how often Alpha Phi Omega changes. <BR>
<BR>
Thanks for your open and honest opinions. I'm glad you admitted to <BR>
not <BR>
having a problem with undergraduates who want their chapter to be <BR>
all male.<BR>
Your statements were very interesting. <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
To me, the issue of female membership should be up to the chapter or <BR>
the <BR>
campus. what ever an "Undergraduate" group decides their chapter to <BR>
be. That<BR>
simple freedom would get Alpha Phi Omega growing like wildfire. <BR>
However <BR>
growth is not the agenda. Being fully, totally and unanimously coed <BR>
might.<BR>
It would be great to open our membership to have no gender <BR>
specifics. <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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