[107518] in Cypherpunks
RE: Suggestion for Public Echelon counter-measures
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (John Young)
Fri Jan 15 13:34:43 1999
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:04:58 -0500
To: Tim May <tcmay@got.net>
From: John Young <jya@pipeline.com>
Cc: cypherpunks@cyberpass.net
In-Reply-To: <v03130311b2c52679dba6@[209.133.50.59]>
Reply-To: John Young <jya@pipeline.com>
Tim May wrote:
>"Echelon" may not even be the True Name. They often tag programs with
>names, like barium, to watch the spread of leaks.
This is quite interesting and I'd like to encourage some followup.
We've put up a few early reports on the global surveillance system --
the Ramparts article of 1972 by Perry Fellwock, and Duncan Campbell's
1988 report in The New Statesman which advanced the investigation with
Fellwock's help. Duncan called the system Project 451. He provided
material to Bamford for "The Puzzle Palace," and Bamford and Campbell
in turn helped Nicky Hager with "Secret Power." There's a list, and links,
of all these, and more, at:
http://jya.com/echelon-dc.htm
I'm not sure where or when the term "Echelon" first appeared, neither
Fellwock, Campbell or Bamford used it, as far as I recall, in the earliest
reports. Is Hager the first or did he get it from somebody else?
Following Tim's lead it would be quite informative to find out who
put the barium in our brain. And whether it was done as a diversion.
Some may know that there are a several investigators working this
story now -- BBC, an Aussie crew, a French crew, Steven Wright at Omega
(who wrote the EuroParl reports), Campbell, maybe Bamford and Hager
for updates. Campbell, who I believe has helped nearly everyone working
the story, has noted that very little new info has come out since the
earliest
reports.
Campbell also says that there has been a concerted effort to disparage
digging deeper into what the global surveillance system is today, how it
works and who are participants; propounding a misleading version would
be consistent with that effort.
