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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] X which are not Y
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Christa Hansberry)
Fri Mar 22 12:04:51 2019
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From: Christa Hansberry <chransberry@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 10:04:32 -0600
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Well, the X [pronoun] Y'e' construction seems somewhat different from the
normal object-verb-subject... always explained like "as for Y, it is X." So
it didn't seem like that should work.
Facial expression and tone would probably be very significant in the "'ach
yIH..." scenario.
-QISta'
On Fri, Mar 22, 2019, 09:52 SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 3/22/2019 11:47 AM, nIqolay Q wrote:
>
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 8:17 PM Christa Hansberry <chransberry@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> If I wanted to say, for example, "animals which are not tribbles", how
>> would I do it? I don't think *yIHmey bIHbe'bogh Ha'DIbaHmey('e'?)* would be
>> grammatical... but is there a good way to say it?
>>
>
> Why wouldn't it be grammatical? Pronouns-as-copula can take *-be'*: *loD
> Quch jIHbe'.* They can take *-bogh*: paq'batlh has *ghaHtaHbogh*. *yIHmey
> bIHbe'bogh Ha'DIbaHmey'e'* seems completely fine to me.
>
> Note that the *-'e'* is not optional here.
>
> Not only is it grammatical, but I don't see any reason not to say it
> either, if it best expresses what you mean.
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Well, the X [pronoun] Y'e' construction seems som=
ewhat different from the normal object-verb-subject... always explained lik=
e "as for Y, it is X." So it didn't seem like that should wor=
k.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Facial expression and tone =
would probably be very significant in the "'ach yIH..." scena=
rio.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">-QISta'=C2=A0</=
div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_at=
tr">On Fri, Mar 22, 2019, 09:52 SuStel <<a href=3D"mailto:sustel@trimbol=
i.name">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">
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<div class=3D"m_-2872442768336824158moz-cite-prefix">On 3/22/2019 11:47=
AM, nIqolay Q wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 8:17 PM
Christa Hansberry <<a href=3D"mailto:chransberry@gmail.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">chransberry@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
order-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"auto">If I wanted to say, for example, "animals
which are not tribbles", how would I do it? I don't th=
ink
*yIHmey bIHbe'bogh Ha'DIbaHmey('e'?)* would be
grammatical... but is there a good way to say it? <br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D"gmail_=
default">Why wouldn't it be grammatical?
Pronouns-as-copula can take <b>-be'</b>: <b>loD Quch jIHbe'=
<i>.</i></b>
They can take <b>-bogh</b>: paq'batlh has <b>ghaHtaHbogh</b>.
<b>yIHmey bIHbe'bogh Ha'DIbaHmey'e'</b> seems compl=
etely fine to
me.</div>
</blockquote>
<p>Note that the <b>-'e'</b> is not optional here.</p>
<p>Not only is it grammatical, but I don't see any reason not to sa=
y
it either, if it best expresses what you mean.<br>
</p>
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