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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] X which are not Y
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Christa Hansberry)
Fri Mar 22 12:51:03 2019
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From: Christa Hansberry <chransberry@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 10:50:46 -0600
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So I guess it's a matter of whether -'e' can be in a relative clause.
-QISta'
On Fri, Mar 22, 2019, 10:04 Christa Hansberry <chransberry@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, the X [pronoun] Y'e' construction seems somewhat different from the
> normal object-verb-subject... always explained like "as for Y, it is X." So
> it didn't seem like that should work.
>
> Facial expression and tone would probably be very significant in the "'ach
> yIH..." scenario.
>
> -QISta'
>
> On Fri, Mar 22, 2019, 09:52 SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
>
>> On 3/22/2019 11:47 AM, nIqolay Q wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 8:17 PM Christa Hansberry <chransberry@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If I wanted to say, for example, "animals which are not tribbles", how
>>> would I do it? I don't think *yIHmey bIHbe'bogh Ha'DIbaHmey('e'?)* would be
>>> grammatical... but is there a good way to say it?
>>>
>>
>> Why wouldn't it be grammatical? Pronouns-as-copula can take *-be'*: *loD
>> Quch jIHbe'.* They can take *-bogh*: paq'batlh has *ghaHtaHbogh*. *yIHmey
>> bIHbe'bogh Ha'DIbaHmey'e'* seems completely fine to me.
>>
>> Note that the *-'e'* is not optional here.
>>
>> Not only is it grammatical, but I don't see any reason not to say it
>> either, if it best expresses what you mean.
>>
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<div dir=3D"auto">So I guess it's a matter of whether -'e' can =
be in a relative clause.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">-QISt=
a'</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 22, 2019, 10:04 Christa Hansberry <<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:chransberry@gmail.com">chransberry@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Well, the X [pronoun] Y'=
;e' construction seems somewhat different from the normal object-verb-s=
ubject... always explained like "as for Y, it is X." So it didn&#=
39;t seem like that should work.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"aut=
o">Facial expression and tone would probably be very significant in the &qu=
ot;'ach yIH..." scenario.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"auto">-QISta'=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 22, 2019, 09:52 SuStel <<a=
href=3D"mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">=
sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
>
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<div class=3D"m_-7188523489030092822m_-2872442768336824158moz-cite-pref=
ix">On 3/22/2019 11:47 AM, nIqolay Q wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 8:17 PM
Christa Hansberry <<a href=3D"mailto:chransberry@gmail.com" rel=
=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">chransberry@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
order-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"auto">If I wanted to say, for example, "animals
which are not tribbles", how would I do it? I don't th=
ink
*yIHmey bIHbe'bogh Ha'DIbaHmey('e'?)* would be
grammatical... but is there a good way to say it? <br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D"gmail_=
default">Why wouldn't it be grammatical?
Pronouns-as-copula can take <b>-be'</b>: <b>loD Quch jIHbe'=
<i>.</i></b>
They can take <b>-bogh</b>: paq'batlh has <b>ghaHtaHbogh</b>.
<b>yIHmey bIHbe'bogh Ha'DIbaHmey'e'</b> seems compl=
etely fine to
me.</div>
</blockquote>
<p>Note that the <b>-'e'</b> is not optional here.</p>
<p>Not only is it grammatical, but I don't see any reason not to sa=
y
it either, if it best expresses what you mean.<br>
</p>
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blank">http://trimboli.name</a></pre>
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