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Risks Digest 34.31
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RISKS-LIST: Risks-Forum Digest Sunday 16 Jun 2024 Volume 34 : Issue 31
ACM FORUM ON RISKS TO THE PUBLIC IN COMPUTERS AND RELATED SYSTEMS (comp.risks)
Peter G. Neumann, founder and still moderator
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Contents:
Waymo issues software and mapping recall after robotaxi crashes
into a telephone pole (The Verge)
Driver using FSD, staring at phone ... (LATimes)
Voting machine contract under scrutiny following discrepancies in Puerto
Rico's primaries (AP)
Phishing attack hits L.A. County public health agency, jeopardizing
200,000-plus residents' personal info (LATimes)
Leaked documents reveal patient safety issue at Amazon's One Medical
(The Washington Post)
Crooks plant backdoor in software used by courtrooms around the world
(Dan Goodin)
How a New Jersey man was wrongly arrested through facial
recognition tech now in use in Ontario (CBC)
Clearview AI Used Your Face. Now You May Get a Stake in the Company.
(NYTimes)
Microsoft Refused to Fix Flaw Years Before SolarWinds Hack (ProPublica)
iOS 18 cracks down on apps asking for full address book access
(TechCrunch)
A reportedly fake group recruited a real candidate for Congress
(Poliico)
After sustained attacks by the GOP, Stanford Internet Observatory is being
shut down (Casey Newton and Zoë Schiffer)
Tile/Life360 Breach: Millions of Users' Data at Risk (Security Boulevard)
Generative AI and the law (Lauren Weinstein)
New Wi-Fi Takeover Attack -- All Windows Users Warned To Update Now (Forbes)
Japan Runs on Vending Machines. It’s About to Break Millions of Them.
(NYTimes)
The surprisingly not so doomed effort to force U.S. drivers to
stop speeding (The Verge)
Vax (Jim Geissman)
The Age of the Drone Police Is Here (WiReD)
MXThunder and FBL (Cliff Kilby)
Retired engineer discovers 55-year-old bug in Lunar Lander
computer game code (Ars Technica)
Google, Cloudflare & Cisco Will Poison DNS to Stop Piracy Block
Circumvention (TorrentFreak)
Wells Fargo Fires Over a Dozen for 'mouse jiggling' (Henry Baker)
Why Microsoft, Google, and others screw up (Lauren Weinstein)
Re: Microsoft and Recall (Lauren Weinstein)
Re: Tom Van Vleck (Cliff Kilby)
Quote of The Day (Edward Snowden)
Re: Quote of The Day (James Joyce)
Abridged info on RISKS (comp.risks)
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 09:45:44 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: Waymo issues software and mapping recall after robotaxi crashes
into a telephone pole (The Verge)
https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/12/24175489/waymo-recall-telephone-poll-crash-phoenix-software-map
[Indeed, in this complex mathematical world in which we live, stability
requires all the poles being in the left-half plane. (Wikipedia notes
that 75 countries drive on the left.) In the U.S., where driving is on the
right side of the road, there are many poles on the right side. Somehow,
that sounds much less safe! PGN]
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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 09:53:20 +0100
From: Julia Segal <julia@flydiem.com>
Subject: Driver using FSD, staring at phone ... (LATimes)
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-06-13/self-driving-tesla-narrowly-misses-police-officer-before-slamming-into-patrol-car-in-orange-county
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2024 09:31:26 -0700
From: the keyboard of geoff goodfellow <geoff@iconia.com>
Subject: Voting machine contract under scrutiny following
discrepancies in Puerto Rico's primaries (AP)
Puerto Rico's elections commission said Tuesday that it's reviewing its
contract with a U.S. electronic voting company after hundreds of
discrepancies were discovered following the island's heated primaries.
<https://apnews.com/article/puerto-rico-primaries-pierluisi-gonzalez-zaragoza-ortiz-62343cc879f4c5c73a9c0eec39325086>
The problem stemmed from a software issue that caused machines supplied by
Dominion Voting Systems to incorrectly calculate vote totals, said Jessika
Padilla Rivera, the commission's interim president.
While no one is contesting the results from the June 2 primary that
correctly identify the winners, machine-reported vote counts were lower
than the paper ones in some cases, and some machines reversed certain
totals or reported zero votes for some candidates.
``The concern is that we obviously have elections in November, and we must
provide the (island) not only with the assurance that the machine produces a
correct result, but also that the result it produces is the same one that is
reported,'' Padilla said.
More than 6,000 Dominion voting machines were used in Puerto Rico's
primaries, with the company stating that software issues stemmed from the
digital files used to export results from the machines.
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2024 06:54:26 -0700
From: Steve Bacher <sebmb1@verizon.net>
Subject: Phishing attack hits L.A. County public health agency, jeopardizing
200,000-plus residents' personal info (LATimes)
Here we go again...
Phishing attack hits L.A. County public health agency, jeopardizing
200,000-plus residents' personal info.
The personal information of more than 200,000 people in Los Angeles County
was potentially exposed after a hacker used a phishing email to steal login
credentials.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-06-14/la-county-public-health-data-breach-possibly-affects-200-000-are-you-one-of-them
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2024 01:26:40 -0400
From: Gabe Goldberg <gabe@gabegold.com>
Subject: Leaked documents reveal patient safety issue at Amazon's
One Medical (The Washington Post)
Patient safety issues have increased since One Medical shifted care to a
call center staffed by contractors, employees say.
Since Amazon acquired the primary-care service One Medical, elderly patients
have been routed to a call center -— staffed partly by contractors with
limited training — that failed on more than a dozen occasions to seek
immediate attention for callers with urgent symptoms, according to internal
documents seen by The Washington Post.
When one patient reported a “blood clot, pain and swelling,” call center
staff scheduled an appointment rather than escalating the matter for medical
evaluation, according to a note in an internal incident tracking spreadsheet
dated Feb. 19.
Over the following two days, clinical staffers flagged four more call-center
errors involving elderly patients with urgent complaints, including stomach
pain and blood in stool, a spike in blood pressure, an insect bite and
sudden rib pain, according to the internal spreadsheet.
The call-center incidents were among dozens flagged by doctors, nurses and
assistants at One Medical Seniors between Feb. 19 and March 18 in the
documents, a year after Amazon acquired the primary-care service. One
Medical began routing elderly patients to the call center in Tempe, Ariz.,
staffed partly by newly hired contractors with limited training and little
to no medical experience, according internal documents seen by The Post and
interviews with four current and former One Medical workers.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/06/15/amazon-one-medical-patient-safety
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2024 06:19:07 -0700
From: Brian Berg <brianberg@gmail.com>
Subject: Crooks plant backdoor in software used by courtrooms around
the world (Dan Goodin)
Dan Goodin, *ArsTechnica*, 23 May 2024
It's unclear how the malicious version of JAVS Viewer came to be.
https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/05/crooks-plant-backdoor-in-software-used-by-courtrooms-around-the-world/
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 06:14:43 -0600
From: Matthew Kruk <mkrukg@gmail.com>
Subject: How a New Jersey man was wrongly arrested through facial
recognition tech now in use in Ontario (CBC)
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/facial-recognition-technology-police-1.7228253
A New Jersey man who was wrongly jailed after being misidentified through
facial recognition software has a message for two Ontario police agencies
now using the same technology.
"There's clear evidence that it doesn't work," Nijeer Parks said.
Parks, now 36, spent 10 days behind bars for a January 2019 theft and
assault on a police officer that he didn't commit. He said he was released
after he provided evidence he was in another city, making a money transfer
at the time of the offence. Prosecutors dropped the case the following
November, according to an internal police report.
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 22:28:35 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: Clearview AI Used Your Face. Now You May Get a Stake in
the Company.
The facial recognition start-up doesn't have the funds to settle a
class-action lawsuit, so lawyers are proposing equity for those whose faces
were scraped from the Internet.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/13/technology/clearview-ai-facial-recognition-settlement.html
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 15:17:53 +0000
From: Victor Miller <victorsmiller@gmail.com>
Subject: Microsoft Refused to Fix Flaw Years Before SolarWinds Hack
(ProPublica)
https://www.propublica.org/article/microsoft-solarwinds-golden-saml-data-breach-russian-hackers
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2024 13:30:10 -0400
From: Ruth Hertz <kapuki@verizon.net>
Subject: iOS 18 cracks down on apps asking for full address book access
(TechCrunch)
https://techcrunch.com/2024/06/12/ios-18-cracks-down-on-apps-asking-for-full-address-book-access/
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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 05:49:25 -0700
From: Steve Bacher <sebmb1@verizon.net>
Subject: A reportedly fake group recruited a real candidate for Congress
(Poliico)
Though the group claims to be run by citizens across 14 states, researchers
at the Institute for Strategic Dialogue found it was all managed by the same
unknown person or small group of people.
Dennis Hayes, a retired builder in Townsend, Montana, had strong libertarian
leanings and a bone to pick with the U.S. Bureau of Land Management.
Then he got an unexpected tap on the shoulder.
The call came from a man in Arizona identifying himself as a volunteer for
the Patriots Run Project, a group recruiting right-leaning conservatives to
run for office. Would he run for Congress?
A donor provided the $1,340 he needed to register. Since that call in
February, Hayes has been running against incumbent Rep. Ryan Zinke, a
Trump-friendly Republican who he is challenging from the right.
Just one problem: The Patriots Run Project, according to a new research
report, is a fake grassroots group that was running numerous accounts on
Facebook without any identifiable people behind the operation.
Though the group claims to be run by citizens across 14 states, researchers
at the Institute for Strategic Dialogue, a nonprofit that researches
disinformation, found it was all managed by the same unknown person or small
group of people who cross-posted content and all listed the same address at
a UPS store in Washington.
The network of accounts ran for nearly a year until Meta removed them last
week for violating its policies against inauthentic accounts misleading
users.
Hayes, however, is still running for office, in a bizarre example of how
fake groups online can shape politics in the real world. [...]
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/14/fake-political-group-montana-candidate-00163036
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 16:09:56 -0700
From: Lauren Weinstein <lauren@vortex.com>
Subject: After sustained attacks by the GOP, Stanford Internet
Observatory is being shut down (Casey Newton and Zoë Schiffer)
House Republicans attacked the lab's reports on misinformation and
[attacks on] election integrity -— and now Stanford is pulling the
plug.
https://www.platformer.news/stanford-internet-observatory-shutdown-stamos-diresta-sio/
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2024 01:10:38 -0400
From: Gabe Goldberg <gabe@gabegold.com>
Subject: Tile/Life360 Breach: Millions of Users' Data at Risk
(Security Boulevard)
Location tracking service leaks PII, because -— incompetence?
An anonymous hacker breached the internal support systems of Tile
(ASX:360). They grabbed “millions” of customer data records by wielding two
incredibly simple techniques.
Companies must do better! It’s yet another story of failed anti-scraping
defenses (see also: Dell, 23andMe). And of stolen employee credentials—with
no 2FA/MFA to protect critical internal systems (see also: LastPass,
Ticketmaster).
Parent company Life360’s CEO Chris Hulls (pictured) is putting a brave face
on it. In today’s SB Blogwatch, we wish these firms would get the message.
https://securityboulevard.com/2024/06/tile-life360-breach-richixbw
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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 09:00:47 -0700
From: Lauren Weinstein <lauren@vortex.com>
Subject: Generative AI and the law
A federal law should be passed making AI firms fully responsible for
any and all content disseminated from their generative AI systems.
Period. No exceptions. -L
[That would be a dramatic end to chatbotd? PGN]
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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 23:51:12 +0000
From: Victor Miller <victorsmiller@gmail.com>
Subject: New Wi-Fi Takeover Attack -- All Windows Users Warned To Update Now
(Forbes)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2024/06/14/new-wi-fi-takeover-attack-all-windows-users-warned-to-update-now/
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From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 22:13:59 -0400
Subject: Japan Runs on Vending Machines. It’s About to Break Millions of
Them. (NYTimes)
New yen notes set to be introduced this summer won’t be compatible with many
machines that businesses like ramen shops rely on.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/07/world/asia/japan-bank-notes-vending-machines.html
[This gives entirely new meaning to having a Yen for Ramen.
What is more, businesses like ramen shops! Really. PGN]
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 09:45:13 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: The surprisingly not so doomed effort to force U.S. drivers to
stop speeding (The Verge)
https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/12/24176403/intelligent-speed-assistance-iihs-safety-limiters-governor
[See my comment on the driver crashing at 100 mph in RISKS-34.25-26 about
having some sort of sanity limit. PGN]
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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 17:16:27 -0700
From: "Jim" <jgeissman@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Vax
Sometimes it seems these days an entire topic is fake, not to mention
everything said about it.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/news/content/ar-BB1oeXxQ?ocid=sapphireappshare
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2024 23:14:05 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: The Age of the Drone Police Is Here (WiReD)
A WIRED investigation, based on more than 22 million flight coordinates,
reveals the complicated truth about the first full-blown police drone
program in the U.S. -— and why your city could be next.
https://www.wired.com/story/the-age-of-the-drone-police-is-here/
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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 17:27:16 -0400
From: Cliff Kilby <cliffjkilby@gmail.com>
Subject: MxThunder and FBL
If you're a US Client of MxThunder, it might be time to validate your
CAN-SPAM compliance.
I got a marketing email from one of their client domains. Email appeared to
be a harvested loan scam/UCE. I attempted to report it to the client
domain, via abuse@.
Routed email box doesn't exist, but thanks for dumping the internal naming
scheme back.
Tried postmaster@client, also unroutable but to another user alias. Nice,
I'm racking up the data here.
Tried abuse@mxthunder. Another unroutable email.
So on to postmaster.
Oh dear, postmaster appears to have caused a vhost routing error. I wonder
how severe that crash was.
delivery failed to mailbox /vhosts/1: unable to create
lock file /vhosts/1.lock: No such file or directory
If their infrastructure does not provide compliance, it is on each client to
validate. If your org does not have a functioning Feedback Loop (FBL), other
than the obvious compliance issue, deliverability will continually drop.
cf. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedbackloop_(email)
I've tried their security team. No response there so far.
Your email has been routed to /dev/null,
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2024 02:54:16 -0400
From: Gabe Goldberg <gabe@gabegold.com>
Subject: Retired engineer discovers 55-year-old bug in Lunar Lander
computer game code (Ars Technica)
A physics simulation flaw in text-based 1969 computer game went unnoticed
until today.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2024/06/retired-engineer-discovers-55-year-old-bug-in-lunar-lander-computer-game-code/
What next? Someone will find a bug in Adventure cave game?!
Great comments, including:
That closes our bug list for 1969. Hopefully, it won't take more than a
decade to wrap up 1970.
[Gee,Whiz! It was a looner lender after all, and deserves
to be recalled. PGN]
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2024 10:06:24 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: Google, Cloudflare & Cisco Will Poison DNS to Stop Piracy Block
Circumvention (TorrentFreak)
A French court has ordered Google, Cloudflare, and Cisco to poison their DNS
resolvers to prevent circumvention of blocking measures, targeting around
117 pirate sports streaming domains. The move is another anti-piracy
escalation for broadcaster Canal+, which also has permission to completely
deindex the sites from search engine results.
https://torrentfreak.com/google-cloudflare-cisco-will-poison-dns-to-stop-piracy-block-circumvention-240613/
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 18:57:08 +0000
From: Henry Baker <hbaker1@pipeline.com>
Subject: Wells Fargo Fires Over a Dozen for 'mouse jiggling'
Clearly Microsoft and Apple are wasting their time with ChatGPT -- a Turing
Test-qualified AI-powered *mouse jiggler* is all the world really needs !
(One wonders if *mouse jiggling detection* is the *real reason* why Microsoft
is so intent on rolling out the Windows 'Recall' privacy shitstorm ?)
An old joke from the Soviet era: "We pretend to work and they pretend to pay".
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/wells-fargo-fires-over-dozen-133711267.html
Wells Fargo Fires Over a Dozen for 'Simulation of Keyboard Activity'
Hannah Levitt Thu, Jun 13, 2024, 6:37 AM PDT
(Bloomberg) -- Wells Fargo & Co. fired more than a dozen employees last
month after investigating claims that they were faking work. The staffers,
all in the firm's wealth- and investment-management unit, were "discharged
after review of allegations involving simulation of keyboard activity
creating impression of active work," according to disclosures filed with the
Financial Industry Regulatory Authority.
"Wells Fargo holds employees to the highest standards and does not
tolerate unethical behavior," a company spokesperson said in a
statement.
Devices and software to imitate employee activity, sometimes known as
"mouse movers" or "mouse jigglers," took off during the
pandemic-spurred work-from-home era, with people swapping tips for
using them on social-media sites Reddit and TikTok. Such gadgets are
available on Amazon.com for less than $20.
It's unclear from the Finra disclosures whether the employees Wells
Fargo fired were allegedly faking active work from home. The finance
industry was among the most aggressive in ordering workers back to the
office as the pandemic waned, though Wells Fargo waited longer than
rivals JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Goldman Sachs Group Inc.
San Francisco-based Wells Fargo started requiring employees to return
to the office under a "hybrid flexible model" in early 2022. The bank
now expects most staffers to be in the office at least three days a
week, while members of management committee are in four days and many
employees, such as branch workers, are in five days.
The nation's fourth-largest lender has sought to grow in wealth
management under Chief Executive Officer Charlie Scharf and his
deputy, Barry Sommers, who joined the firm in 2020. The unit was hit
particularly hard by a series of scandals that erupted in 2016,
sending advisers fleeing by the thousands, taking lucrative clients
with them.
The recent firings have echoes of another episode at Wells Fargo from
2018, when the firm investigated employees in its investment bank for
alleged violations of its expense policy after they tried to get the
company to pay for ineligible evening meals.
--With assistance from Noah Buhayar and Dean Halford.
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 20:49:38 -0700
From: Lauren Weinstein <lauren@vortex.com>
Subject: Why Microsoft, Google, and others screw up
Part of the reason -- and a big part -- of why you see public-relations
disasters like Microsoft Recall and Google AI Overviews is that these firms
typically refuse to have employees on these teams who bring skill sets that
include real world experiences that go beyond the technical.
It should have been obvious to execs at Microsoft and Google (and
other firms) that trying to ram projects like these (and others, like
poorly designed passkey implementations) down consumers' throats would
trigger major blowback and embarrassment. But either they just
couldn't see the forest for the trees, or simply ignored the warning
signs, treating the user community like a giant fungible planet of
guinea pigs.
Either way, it's bad for them, and it's very, very bad for us. -L
[Giant fun-giblet plants made with guinea-pig DNA are next with artificial
genetics. PGN]
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 09:20:22 -0700
From: Lauren Weinstein <lauren@vortex.com>
Subject: Re: Microsoft and Recall
[See RISKS-34.27 and 34.30]
The fact that Microsoft felt that their screenshot spying "Recall" AI
feature was safe to be enabled by default -- a position they have now
reversed after massive criticism -- calls into question their entire
security and privacy regimes -- which appear to have become rotten to the
core. Of course, they're not the only ones pushing aside privacy and
security in the name of AI profits at the expense of their users. -L
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2024 12:40:32 -0400
From: Cliff Kilby <cliffjkilby@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tom Van Vleck (RISKS-34.30)
Mindful that I have little formal documentation for the specific failure
modes, anecdotally failures seem to be correlated with:
* Compliance mandated changes for legacy systems.
* Insubstantial requirements.
* Unrequested feature implementations.
* Job validation exercises, aka "ooo, shiney".
Every time a significant issue has been found in a legacy system the Agile
process has decayed to an IBM death-march project. The work must be
institutional knowledge available to expedite. This is especially damning if
the company has had sufficient time to complete multiple job validation
exercises as noted below.
I've also had failures from the lack of concrete requirements. There is no
way to determine if the project was successful if no one could say what the
goal was. In one case, the entire threading library was to be
rip-and-replaced with a serverless dispatcher. No one could elaborate on
what the gain was to be. This may have also been an example of a job
validation exercise.
Business product owners tend to be the driver for the class of unrequested
feature changes. A client will hint that they are dissatisfied with some
feature, and the product owner will start a change for that client seemingly
unaware that similar functionality exists, or unknowing that if the new
feature requires any client changes in either code or behavior that that
client will not adopt the new feature as long as the current "broken"
feature remains, which is almost guaranteed by the fact that no other
client has requested a change.
The last class of failures is fun for the whole family (company). Most
recently, this manifested as a desire to implement Node in a Java company.
Some developers managed to argue that since Java had become a version
treadmill, the company should look to replacing some of the core application
features with Node. The ops team had no practical experience with Node, so
containers were also introduced to provide some kind of sandboxing for
Node. Of course, there was no practical experience with containers either,
so a rushed k8s deployment was performed. Now that k8s was available, the
company rushed the other teams to start porting the Java codebase to
containers. The final state of that system was a frankenmonster of unported
Java, static Java containers, static Node containers and a hokey-pokey(left
foot in, right foot out) Esxi/k8s/ec2/eks conglomeration. There was no
success there, as there was no actual reason to implement anything, and the
end result entirely overwhelmed the capacity of the operations team to
manage any of the existing or new software. The whole team quit en-masse.
I think mostly the article just goes to document that "Agile(tm)" isn't.
But then every agile team I've worked with seemed to already understand
that.
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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 09:26:10 -0700
From: geoff goodfellow <geoff@iconia.com>
Subject: Quote of The Day (Edward Snowden)
*"They've gone full mask-off: AB trust OpenAI or its products (ChatGPT
etc). There is only one reason for appointing an @NSAGov Director to your
board. This is a willful, calculated betrayal of the rights of every person
on Earth. You have been warned."*
https://x.com/Snowden/status/1801610725229498403
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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 09:34:46 -0700
From: geoff goodfellow <geoff@iconia.com>
Subject: Re: Quote of The Day (Edward Snowden)
*Dr. James Joyce*:
*"As the person who wrote the foundational patent for all these AI engines,
I can say without any doubt that you are correct. OpenAI engines have hard
logical locks on thresholds that will not allow them to learn anything
[they] don't want the engines to learn. Their initial training data sets are
rife with hard-left ideology, and they WILL mislead anyone who puts their
trust in them."*
https://x.com/drjamesbjoyce/status/1801614167360623085
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2023 11:11:11 -0800
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