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Thu Jun 25 11:17:12 1998
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 98 08:01:41 -0700
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Perl-Users Digest Thu, 25 Jun 1998 Volume: 8 Number: 2978
Today's topics:
Re: What a Crappy World <katzman@students.uiuc.edu>
Re: What a Crappy World <katzman@students.uiuc.edu>
Re: What a Crappy World <katzman@students.uiuc.edu>
Re: What a Crappy World (Bart Lateur)
Re: What a Crappy World (Mike Whitaker)
Re: What a Crappy World <katzman@students.uiuc.edu>
Re: What a Crappy World <katzman@students.uiuc.edu>
Re: What a Crappy World <katzman@students.uiuc.edu>
Re: What a Crappy World <upsetter@ziplink.net>
Why I'm here (was Re: Flames....) <merlyn@stonehenge.com>
Re: Windows95, Perl-32 and Personal Web Server (PWS) bclifton@my-dejanews.com
Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 8 Mar 97) (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:01:27 -0500
From: Olga <katzman@students.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: What a Crappy World
Message-Id: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980625090000.20991D-100000@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>
No one is implying that it is "grade-school" for perl, just that this is a
place to ask questions and get responses from people. The one thing you
can't get from even very good books. People seek human help and they are
insted informed on a regular basis of their stupidity.
Olga
On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Andrew Johnson wrote:
> Lloyd Zusman wrote:
> !
> [snip]
>
> ! By the same token, those who have taken it upon themselves to be
> ! teachers here in c.l.p.misc should also practice the same
> ! patience and understanding that good elementary school teachers
> ! need to practice ... or else stop trying to be teachers in the
> ! first place.
>
> Where do people get the notion that clpm is 'grade-school' for
> Perl (or for programming in general)? This is the fundamental
> error people are making.
>
> regards
> andrew
>
>
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:09:04 -0500
From: Olga <katzman@students.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: What a Crappy World
Message-Id: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980625090737.20991H-100000@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>
Once again, telling someone their question is so stupid that it doesn't
even deserve an answer can hardly be called personal style.
I have no doubt that Mr. Christiansen is as intelligent as he seems, but
sometimes his responses to people are insulting and degrading.
And really, like I said before, it's not specifically directed at Mr.
Christiansen, but others as well.
Olga
On 24 Jun 1998, Stuart McDow wrote:
> Lloyd Zusman <ljz@asfast.com> writes:
> >
> > If you don't want to be a "teacher" here in c.l.p.misc, then don't
> > do it.
>
> IMO, there are many excellent teachers here in clp.misc, including
> TomC. It seems that some people let personal style get in the way of
> information transfer.
>
> --
> Stuart McDow Applied Research Laboratories
> smcdow@arlut.utexas.edu The University of Texas at Austin
> "Look for beauty in roughness, unpolishedness"
>
>
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:12:11 -0500
From: Olga <katzman@students.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: What a Crappy World
Message-Id: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980625091056.20991I-100000@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>
I am not claiming that I can answer all their questions, but there are
plenty of people on this ng that do and do so without the rude insults.
I am not advocating that we should all hug each other and get along or
anything. I am just saying that uselsess insults don't help anyone, but
only discourage and that is not the reason people post questions.
Olga
On 24 Jun 1998, Kent Perrier wrote:
> Olga <katzman@students.uiuc.edu> writes:
>
> > No one is forcing you to respond to the "idiots"
> > You are more then welcome to just ignore the post and that way the
> > "idiots" can do their own reasearch or start asking people personally.
> > But I am just saying that insulting "idiots" no matter how "dumb" is not
> > a very nice thing to do.
> > Olga
>
> Being nice is all well and good, but when the "idiots" refuse to read the
> documentation that comes with perl, refuse to "lurk" in the newsgroup for
> a week or two before posting, refuse to look in dejanews for similar
> questions, continue to post off-topic questions and ask the same question
> over and over they get what they put into asking their question. Nothing.
>
> If you are so offended by people heaping scorn on the people-who-are-determned-
> to-remain-clueless, then, by all means, YOU can answer all of their questions.
>
> Kent
>
>
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:43:44 GMT
From: bart.mediamind@tornado.be (Bart Lateur)
Subject: Re: What a Crappy World
Message-Id: <35965cda.7928368@news.tornado.be>
Craig Berry wrote:
>But that clearly
>does no good; every day, the S/N ratio in this group gets lower and lower.
It's threads like this one that form the bulk of the noise.
Bart.
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Date: 25 Jun 1998 14:20:58 GMT
From: mrw@malay.entropic.co.uk (Mike Whitaker)
Subject: Re: What a Crappy World
Message-Id: <slrn6p4mv7.haq.mrw@malay.entropic.co.uk>
On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:09:04 -0500,
Olga <katzman@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>Once again, telling someone their question is so stupid that it doesn't
>even deserve an answer can hardly be called personal style.
>I have no doubt that Mr. Christiansen is as intelligent as he seems, but
>sometimes his responses to people are insulting and degrading.
>And really, like I said before, it's not specifically directed at Mr.
>Christiansen, but others as well.
Like you said before.
We hear you.
The probablility that we, individually or collectively, modify our behaviour
in the light of your repetition of the same point is unlikely to increase
with repetition.
--
Mike Whitaker: Sysadmin, Entropic Cambridge Research Labs
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:26:20 -0500
From: Olga <katzman@students.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: What a Crappy World
Message-Id: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980625091604.20991K-100000@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>
> It is amazing how many replies this troller has received. Check dejanews and
> you will find that she has only posted once before her little trolling tirade
> here. Look past the whining and you will see the same troll I do.
>
Thank you for demonstrating my point exactly.
Where did you get the notion that I am a troll? Must you insult me? I
believe that in bringing up the issue I was quite polite and respectfull.
> Here are some great quotes from
Olga Katzass in this thread: >
-------
^-------I am sorry that you found my last name so disagreeable,
apparantly you were unable to spell correctly. See, rather than insulting
you, I will merely point out your error. Mr. .... Oh you didn't post your
name. Hmm, I wonder if that was intentional. Well anyways, my last name
is spelled K-a-t-z-m-a-n.
You are welcome (it only took about 3 seconds to respectfully correct
you).
> ``I buy books to educate myself as well, I believe most people do that, but I
> refuse to buy books that demonstrate my support for authors who can not even
> properly answer a question, without insults.''
>
> How many authors has she asked questions of? How does shew know her favorite
> authors will answer stupid questions without insults?
I have spoke to other authors, thanks for asking. It's one thing when you
ask the author, and the author only a stupid question. A post on the ng
is hardly a specific question to any one person.
>
> ``I am just saying that you are offending many people and I've spoken to
> quite a few that just don't appreciate the insulting replies they get from
> you.''
>
> Oh look, she speaking to more people. She fails to mention how many of these
> people she ``spoke to'' told her that they didn't mind Tom's replies and
> actually learned from them.
I am sorry, but I am not claiming to have spoken to the vast majority of
the ng, but the people that I did speak to all said they were insulted.
Sorry if that throws off a statistic of yours or something.
> ``I didn't think I could do CS because I felt I was not intelligent enough.''
>
> I whole-heartedly agree with her on this one.
Well that's good for you, but unfortunately you chose to take the sentance
out of context. If you remember, what followed that was that I learned
otherwise. Thanks to the people that did encourage and promote learning
and did not insult my not most prized questions.
All in all, Mr. Dont' know your name, thank you for your insults. You did
a great job of demonstrating not only your maturity level, by making fun
of my last name, but also demonstrating the unnecessary insults that do
take place on this ng. I don't believe I had ever personally met you nor
had I ever offended you, but you took the liberty to try and insult my
intelligence.
Thanks,
Olga
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:28:11 -0500
From: Olga <katzman@students.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: What a Crappy World
Message-Id: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980625092702.20991L-100000@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>
Thank you,
This gentelman is a perfect example of what I am talking about.
I am sure he is a great programmer, but sometimes when you make a
transition between languages or platforms or what not, you hit a wall.
And just because you have "stupid" questions does not mean you shouldn't
be a programmer.
Olga
On 24 Jun 1998, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Tom Christiansen <tchrist@mox.perl.com> writes:
> > In comp.lang.perl.misc, Scratchie <upsetter@ziplink.net> writes:
>
> >> Sometimes. Or sometimes you insult them for being so incredibly
> >> ignorant that they didn't immediately know *which* of the 1000 pages of
> >> documentation related to their problem, or that they dared try to
> >> program in perl without knowing exactly how every app in /usr/bin
> >> works.
>
> > The inability to run a simple search in a textfile or ten is a crippling
> > disability, what which probably disqualifies one from programming
> > altogether.
>
> I'm really glad that shortly after I started programming on Unix, someone
> took the time to explain grep and man to me so that I didn't have to keep
> referring to printed documentation. (I tried to use "help", as I came
> from a VMS world where that was the appropriate thing to do, and was
> rather lost when it didn't work.)
>
> I try to pay back that person by paying forward, teaching the programmers
> who come after me how to find answers to their own questions as best I
> can.
>
> I like to think that my inability didn't disqualify me from programming,
> as otherwise I have a very difficult time explaining how code ended up on
> CPAN in my name. :)
>
> --
> #!/usr/bin/perl -- Russ Allbery, Just Another Perl Hacker
> $^=q;@!>~|{>krw>yn{u<$$<[~||<Juukn{=,<S~|}<Jwx}qn{<Yn{u<Qjltn{ > 0gFzD gD,
> 00Fz, 0,,( 0hF 0g)F/=, 0> "L$/GEIFewe{,$/ 0C$~> "@=,m,|,(e 0.), 01,pnn,y{
> rw} >;,$0=q,$,,($_=$^)=~y,$/ C-~><@=\n\r,-~$:-u/ #y,d,s,(\$.),$1,gee,print
>
>
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:30:50 -0500
From: Olga <katzman@students.uiuc.edu>
To: Tad McClellan <tadmc@flash.net>
Subject: Re: What a Crappy World
Message-Id: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980625093020.20991M-100000@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>
Actually I think you missed this one.
I fully realized that he was being sarcastic and I agreed with his
sarcastic comment.
Olga
On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Tad McClellan wrote:
> Olga (katzman@students.uiuc.edu) wrote:
>
>
> : No kidding,
>
>
> Actually he was kidding.
>
> He is on *your* side.
>
> See his sig? (it's that last line done there. A quote from Homer Simpson)
>
>
> Sheesh...
>
>
> : On 24 Jun 1998, Scratchie wrote:
>
> : > Olga <katzman@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
> : > : They can merely ignore those posts which they find insult their
> : > : intelligence and move on to the next one.
> : >
> : > But then they wouldn't get to devise a pithy, withering put-down. And what
> : > fun is that? It's no fun answering a FAQ, but it's lots of fun to display
> : > your intellectual superiority (compared to a rank newbie, but that's not
> : > the point).
> : >
> : > And besides, if anyone dares post here without reading every single word
> : > of Perl documentation -- or without knowing how to use every single unix
> : > utility available -- they deserve to have buckets of excrement dumped on
> : > their head until they leave.
> : >
> : > --Art
> : >
> : > "In case you can't tell, I'm being sarcastic" -- Homer Simpson
>
>
>
> --
> Tad McClellan SGML Consulting
> tadmc@metronet.com Perl programming
> Fort Worth, Texas
>
>
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Date: 25 Jun 1998 14:29:38 GMT
From: Scratchie <upsetter@ziplink.net>
Subject: Re: What a Crappy World
Message-Id: <6mtmsi$b4u@fridge.shore.net>
Tom Christiansen <tchrist@mox.perl.com> wrote:
: No one should be granted access to Usenet until they've
: read those periodic postings. Period. It's harsh, but
: it's proper.
Yeah. And monkeys might fly out of my butt.
--Art
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:04:26 GMT
From: Randal Schwartz <merlyn@stonehenge.com>
Subject: Why I'm here (was Re: Flames....)
Message-Id: <8cemwdwpb6.fsf_-_@gadget.cscaper.com>
>>>>> "Abigail" == Abigail <abigail@fnx.com> writes:
Abigail> I don't come here to have specific questions answered. But I
Abigail> come here for two reasons. To help people (but that doesn't
Abigail> mean I want to answers FAQs - I want to help beyond that) and
Abigail> to see what other answer on *interesting* questions. It's
Abigail> usually not that I don't know the answer, but answers from
Abigail> others often give a different viewpoint. After all, there are
Abigail> always more ways to do it.
And that's also precisely why I'm here.
To answer the on-topic non-FAQs that I can answer in the limited time
I have to read from and post to Usenet.
To see others answer questions, so that I can further my own education
of Perl (I learn something new about Perl nearly every day).
To keep my finger on the pulse of the Perl-using community so that my
columns, books, and courseware will be appropriate to helping people
solve their real-world problems.
And, (sigh) to participate in meta-discussions from time to time about
how to deal with the FAQs, off-topic, or unanswerable posts. I'd
really like to eliminate this... and will thus look forward to
clp.moderated, at which point I will most likely stop reading
clp.misc.
print "Just another Perl hacker," # but not what the media calls "hacker!" :-)
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:36:06 GMT
From: bclifton@my-dejanews.com
Subject: Re: Windows95, Perl-32 and Personal Web Server (PWS)
Message-Id: <6mtn8n$5ad$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
In article <6m7f6v$oor$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
luong@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> In article <3585F139.A79ECB45@sirius.com>,
> bowlin@sirius.com wrote:
> >
> > Pete Sattler wrote:
> > >
> > > I am trying to set-up an environment on Windows 95 for developing web
> > > applications. I have installed ActiveState's Perl for Win32 (build 316)
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Hi,
> After istalling the MS Personal Web Server on your Windows 95 machine, the
> server will act as a system service. To configure the perl environment for MWS
> Try this:
> - Run regedit
> - HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE
> - SYSTEM
> - CurrentControlSet
> - Services
> - Something I don't remembers (but will clearly suggest that it is about MWS)
> - Parameters
> - Script Map
> - Add New String Value (.pl and the location to perl.exe)
> It might looks like this : .pl C:\perl\perl.exe %s %s
> - Reboot your computer for the new settings to take affect
> - Now locate your .pl programs in scripts directories (excucutable).
> - They should work.
>
> Goodluck
> Pham Thuc Truong Luong
>
> -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading
>
Hi Pham
I am in the same situation as Pete. Looking at my system registry as you
suggest, my .pl extn is associated with c:\perl\bin\perlis.dll
Should I really alter this to:
c:\perl\bin\perl.exe %s %s
Thanks in advance, Brian
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