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Sat May 23 13:07:25 1998
Date: Sat, 23 May 98 10:00:38 -0700
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Perl-Users Digest Sat, 23 May 1998 Volume: 8 Number: 2703
Today's topics:
Re: Authentication?? <Mark_Sage@Compuserve.com>
Bug reporting and the Perl developers (was: Re: Problem <rootbeer@teleport.com>
Re: Documentation <rootbeer@teleport.com>
Re: Getting hex codes from string <jdf@pobox.com>
Re: GNU attacks on the open software community (le Fanttme)
Re: GNU attacks on the open software community (le Fanttme)
Re: GNU attacks on the open software community (Fergus Henderson)
Re: GPL documentation == unspeakable evil (le Fanttme)
Re: GPL documentation == unspeakable evil (Tyson Richard DOWD)
Re: GPL documentation == unspeakable evil (Fergus Henderson)
Re: GPL documentation == unspeakable evil (Howard Goldstein)
Re: Having problems with cookies <rootbeer@teleport.com>
Re: help (Bbirthisel)
Re: Killing a thread (was: Re: Stop Changing Subject Li <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
Re: Perl and JavaScript problem <rootbeer@teleport.com>
Re: PERL Newbie Question <ahdiii@webspan.net>
Re: PERL Newbie Question <rootbeer@teleport.com>
Re: Please advise! <rootbeer@teleport.com>
Re: Problem de-referencing a reference to a typeglob st (Bob Kline)
Re: Problem de-referencing a reference to a typeglob st <zenin@bawdycaste.org>
Re: Suggestion Re: GNU attacks on the open software com fredrik@pythonware.com
Re: Suggestion Re: GNU attacks on the open software com fredrik@pythonware.com
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 17:00:45 +0100
From: Mark Sage <Mark_Sage@Compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Authentication??
Message-Id: <3566F2AD.A33E089A@Compuserve.com>
brian d foy wrote:
> In article <6jt9el$kvu$1@monet.op.net>, mjd@op.net (Mark-Jason
> Dominus) posted:
>
> >In article <35608B06.6C6C474D@Compuserve.com>,
> >Mark Sage <Mark_Sage@Compuserve.com> wrote:
> >>I am trying to get a PERL program to display a user/password dialog,
> and
> >>then process the input. I can make the dialog display by sending a
> >>"HTTP/1.0 404 Not Authorized", but no matter what I do I cannot get
> >>anything returned.
> >
> >Typically, the web server will not give you the credentials, because
> >doing so would create a possible security problem.
> >
> >The solution (if there is one) depends on your web server. It will
> >involve recompiling or reconfiguring the server, or putting a hook
> >into the API, or something. Whatever it is, it's not appropriate for
>
> >this newsgroup; please ask in the group about your server, whatever
> >that is.
>
> well, in servers compiled with mod_perl you could hook into the Apache
>
> API at just about anywhere - which seems completely relevant to this
> group, if that's what he wants to talk about that :)
>
> --
> brian d foy <comdog@computerdog.com>
> CGI Meta FAQ <URL:http://computerdog.com/CGI_MetaFAQ.html>
> Comprehensive Perl Archive Network (CPAN) <URL:http://www.perl.com>
> Perl Mongers T-shirts! <URL:http://www.pm.org/tshirts.html>
It may be relevant, but well beyond what i'm looking for. (My current
server is WebSite, and my new server will be IIS, not sure what my ISP
is running). I just wanted a tidier looking way of validating a user, I
might just be creative with some Javascript and open a new window to
look like a password dialog box.
Cheers for the help.
Mark.
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 15:00:30 GMT
From: Tom Phoenix <rootbeer@teleport.com>
To: Bob Kline <bkline@cortex.nlm.nih.gov>
Subject: Bug reporting and the Perl developers (was: Re: Problem de-referencing a reference to a typeglob stored in a hash)
Message-Id: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980523074542.22348G-100000@user2.teleport.com>
On 23 May 1998, Bob Kline wrote:
> 1. There is no publicly available bug database for Perl. You just
> throw a bug report over the fence, but you can't check first to
> find out if it has already been reported, nor can you track its
> progress.
Correct. But The Perl Institute has been working on setting up a bug
database that should be available RSN.
> 2. The link to the perl porters list -- news://genetics.upenn.edu/
> perl.porters-gw -- (to which one is directed for details of a
> possible revival of the bug database at http://language.perl.com/
> bugs/index.html) is broken.
Bummer. Try this one.
news://cor.newman.upenn.edu/perl.porters-gw
And you can search the archive of that list via this URL.
http://www.rosat.mpe-garching.mpg.de/mailing-lists/perl-porters/
You _could_ also subscribe to the list - but it's a high-volume list,
often more than somewhat technical, and not generally useful to most Perl
programmers. I think you know this, but for the benefit of anyone else
playing along at home, I'll say it again: The perl-porters mailing list is
not good for general help with Perl; if you're having trouble using Perl,
you probably shouldn't subscribe.
> 3. The man page for perlbug isn't missing; you just can't get to it in
> the hyperlink version of the docs on the web because the link from
> http://www.perl.com/CPAN-local/doc/manual/html/pod/index.html is
> missing. The command `man perlbug' works fine from the locally
> installed docs.
>
> I turned in the bug report.
Thanks!
--
Tom Phoenix Perl Training and Hacking Esperanto
Randal Schwartz Case: http://www.rahul.net/jeffrey/ovs/
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 14:26:08 GMT
From: Tom Phoenix <rootbeer@teleport.com>
To: Bourne Shadown <bourne@holyfire.com>
Subject: Re: Documentation
Message-Id: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980523071923.22348B-100000@user2.teleport.com>
On Sat, 23 May 1998, Bourne Shadown wrote:
> Subject: Documentation
Please check out this helpful information on choosing good subject
lines. It will be a big help to you in making it more likely that your
requests will be answered.
http://www.perl.com/CPAN/authors/Dean_Roehrich/subjects.post
> i wanna learn perl , i need an url
When you need information on any subject, you can start with your favorite
web search engine and see what you find. I could give you more-specific
URLs for Perl, but you'll find plenty this way. And this URL will help you
when you want to roll your own sushi or find a travel guide about
Uzbekistan.
http://www.yahoo.com/
Of course, you'll want to check out the Perl FAQ before you ask any
further questions about Perl. Have fun with it!
--
Tom Phoenix Perl Training and Hacking Esperanto
Randal Schwartz Case: http://www.rahul.net/jeffrey/ovs/
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Date: 23 May 1998 10:13:20 -0500
From: Jonathan Feinberg <jdf@pobox.com>
To: comdog@computerdog.com (brian d foy)
Subject: Re: Getting hex codes from string
Message-Id: <hg2hrpf3.fsf@mailhost.panix.com>
comdog@computerdog.com (brian d foy) writes:
> Tom Phoenix <rootbeer@teleport.com> posted:
>
> >On Fri, 22 May 1998, Kevin Reid wrote:
> >
> >> open FILE;
> >
> >Even when your script is "just an example" (and perhaps especially in that
> >case!) you should _always_ check the return value after opening a file.
>
> not to mention choosing something to open()! :)
He was opening $FILE, obviously. Smiley.
--
Jonathan Feinberg jdf@pobox.com Sunny Brooklyn, NY
http://pobox.com/~jdf/
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 14:32:34 GMT
From: fantome/@/usa/./net (le Fanttme)
Subject: Re: GNU attacks on the open software community
Message-Id: <F87A2BA80790C5D0.EA10E3AB1B67C5F6.0AF35F96A2200F7C@library-proxy.airnews.net>
On 23 May 1998 02:18:04 GMT, lindahl@pbm.com (Greg Lindahl) wrote:
>Evan Kirshenbaum <evan@garrett.hpl.hp.com> writes:
>
>> I, too, would be exceedingly pissed if something I worked hard on,
>> made freely available (in the common sense) to the community, and
>> which was considered excellent and indispensable was called "no good"
>
>Er, given that this passage is quite old and probably refers to the
>commercial book "Programming Perl", I suspect you'd apologize if you
>started the kind of flamewar that Tom did.
That's funny ... and I always thought that the Perldocs were worded
very similarly to "Programming Perl" ... very similar.
(Seeing as I don't have access to PP here, I can't do the comparison,
but the perldoc manpage layout looked very much like the chapters in
PP and the wording was pretty close to the same.)
As such, I don't see the problem, nor do I see a need for Tom to
apologise.
-f
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 15:08:38 GMT
From: fantome/@/usa/./net (le Fanttme)
Subject: Re: GNU attacks on the open software community
Message-Id: <4EDC36B2F88B972A.2011E45F939D6BB3.E24F0B9C30A03980@library-proxy.airnews.net>
On 23 May 1998 00:46:29 GMT, stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John
Stanley) wrote:
>In article <7E52F4A23A745FA1.E65BA4FCC2AFC606.09B10913222F282F@library-proxy.airnews.net>,
>le Fant me <fantome/@/usa/./net> wrote:
>>You are mistaken. The PerlFAQ is available on CDs -- legally so.
>>Because the people who are putting it on the CDs are not charging
>>extra because they are putting the PerlFAQ on the CDs.
>>
>>What cannot happen is that a German publisher cannot take the PerlFAQ
>>and publish a book from it and not give Mr. Christiansen his due
>>royalties -- unless the book is sold at base cost. What cannot happen
>>is that a Ukrainian CD-ROM presser cannot take the PerlFAQ and produce
>>a CD with the PerlFAQ on it and charge $20 because the PerlFAQ is on
>>the CD.
>
>So let me ask a hypothetical question.
>
>Suppose a book publisher wants to sell a book about computers. He hasn't
>decided what will be in it yet, but he sets a target list price of $120.
That'd have to be one hell of a book. But the data that I've suggested
for CDs would still apply for books, although the exact application
would be changed.
>He comes accross the Perl documentation. "Wow", he says, "look at all
>this great stuff. It will make people want to buy my book." He copies it
>all and puts it all in the book. Ahhh, but the licensing in the material
>(as interpreted here) means he can't charge more for the book because he
>did it, so he leaves the price at $120. There's so much perl stuff, he
>can't fit anything else into the book, so it goes to print.
No. I'm having a hard time telling if you're deliberately being obtuse
or you're just not getting the concept. Setting the list price of $120
would be not quite possible at the point where he's putting it
together. Rather, he would have to take his costs for producing the
number of books he put together and determine the price of the book.
Since he didn't have anything to pay any authors, he would have to
consider *only* the printing costs, and that would mean that the price
would have to drop significantly, or he would be due a lawsuit.
The way that I'm reading Tom's restriction, the publisher could not
charge more than $15.00 if it only cost $15.00 to publish the book.
This would largely depend on the number of copies printed. Sure, if
the publisher only printed fifty copies, he would probably be able to
charge a lot more for them, but that would again reflect his
publishing costs.
Therein lies the difference. It's like a CD publisher suggesting that
their CD will cost $20, even though it only cost them $6 to create the
CD -- and if they are merely aggregators for the data on the CD.
(RedHat is not a mere aggregator; they have added value to the whole
process by writing their installation software and things like that.
CheapBytes would be a mere aggregator, and I would suspect that they
are not charging much more than it costs to publish the whole of the
CD -- and that price is probably not affected by the presence of the
PerlFAQ but of other packages.)
-f
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Date: 23 May 1998 16:16:46 GMT
From: fjh@cs.mu.oz.au (Fergus Henderson)
Subject: Re: GNU attacks on the open software community
Message-Id: <6k6spe$ibt$1@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
fantome/@/usa/./net (le Fantome) writes:
>stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) wrote:
>>le Fant me <fantome/@/usa/./net> wrote:
>>>You are mistaken. The PerlFAQ is available on CDs -- legally so.
>>>Because the people who are putting it on the CDs are not charging
>>>extra because they are putting the PerlFAQ on the CDs.
...
>>So let me ask a hypothetical question.
>>
>>Suppose a book publisher wants to sell a book about computers. He hasn't
>>decided what will be in it yet, but he sets a target list price of $120.
>
>That'd have to be one hell of a book.
Maybe. Or maybe the publisher is just one hell of a salesman.
Maybe he won't sell many copies at that price, but it's his book,
so he can set the price, right?
>>He comes accross the Perl documentation. "Wow", he says, "look at all
>>this great stuff. It will make people want to buy my book." He copies it
>>all and puts it all in the book. Ahhh, but the licensing in the material
>>(as interpreted here) means he can't charge more for the book because he
>>did it, so he leaves the price at $120. There's so much perl stuff, he
>>can't fit anything else into the book, so it goes to print.
>
>No. I'm having a hard time telling if you're deliberately being obtuse
>or you're just not getting the concept.
The concept seems to be self-contradictory, and the
hypothetical example aims to illuminate this.
>Setting the list price of $120
>would be not quite possible at the point where he's putting it
>together.
Why not? It's his book, he's the vendor, so he can set the price, right?
Remember, the $120 is not for the PerlFAQ inside,
the $120 is for the great cover he's going to put on it,
and for his scintillating prose on the blurb.
>Rather, he would have to take his costs for producing the
>number of books he put together and determine the price of the book.
Hang on, he's not going to be selling this book at cost price.
After all, he wants to make a profit, so that he can donate some
to the FSF, feed his family, etc. etc.
>Since he didn't have anything to pay any authors, he would have to
>consider *only* the printing costs, and that would mean that the price
>would have to drop significantly, or he would be due a lawsuit.
Oh, so now you're saying he's not allowed to make a profit?
>The way that I'm reading Tom's restriction, the publisher could not
>charge more than $15.00 if it only cost $15.00 to publish the book.
This reading would forbid distribution by RedHat and the like,
since they make a profit.
>Therein lies the difference. It's like a CD publisher suggesting that
>their CD will cost $20, even though it only cost them $6 to create the
>CD -- and if they are merely aggregators for the data on the CD.
>
>(RedHat is not a mere aggregator; they have added value to the whole
>process by writing their installation software and things like that.
Neither is our hypothetical publisher a "mere aggregator";
he's adding value by selling it in book form, not to mention
the added value of a colorful cover and an exciting blurb.
>CheapBytes would be a mere aggregator, and I would suspect that they
>are not charging much more than it costs to publish the whole of the
>CD
Why does it matter if the different is $118.80 or $0.20?
Profit is still profit.
>-- and that price is probably not affected by the presence of the
>PerlFAQ but of other packages.)
"Probably". Are you confident that you can prove that in a court of
law? What about when the plaintiff wheels out customers who will
swear under oath that they wouldn't have bought the CD if it didn't
have the PerlFAQ?
--
Fergus Henderson <fjh@cs.mu.oz.au> | "I have always known that the pursuit
WWW: <http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/~fjh> | of excellence is a lethal habit"
PGP: finger fjh@128.250.37.3 | -- the last words of T. S. Garp.
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 14:59:08 GMT
From: fantome/@/usa/./net (le Fanttme)
Subject: Re: GPL documentation == unspeakable evil
Message-Id: <0F99078759DD7160.C22E330C887104FA.9753BD12801CD88B@library-proxy.airnews.net>
On 22 May 1998 21:24:34 +0200, David Kastrup
<dak@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:
>fantome/@/usa/./net (le Fanttme) writes:
>
>> On 22 May 1998 11:37:38 +0200, David Kastrup
>> <dak@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:
>> >An American citizen may not be taken as a slave, nor sell himself as
>> >one. It seems that he is not really free, then.
>>
>> An American citizen can, however, choose to work for a profit or a
>> non-profit group.
>
>Correct. But he does not become their property. The GPL effectively
>prohibits any derived work of some GPLed work to become the private
>property of anybody in a certain way considered bad (namely, making
>money not merely by distributing it, but also prohibiting any
>competition in distribution).
In other words, the GNU GPL requires that you foolishly
anthropomorphise software -- when the software cannot make any
determination about its own destiny. Further, it requires that you
foolishly anthropomorphise software when humans cannot be cloned at no
cost or impact to the original ... like software can.
It's nice to know that the GNU GPL (and the Manifesto even moreso) is
based on such foolish notions.
-f
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Date: 24 May 1998 01:11:29 +1000
From: trd@hydra.cs.mu.oz.au (Tyson Richard DOWD)
Subject: Re: GPL documentation == unspeakable evil
Message-Id: <6k6ov1$jmo$1@hydra.cs.mu.oz.au>
adam@thelonious.new.ox.ac.uk (Adam Spiers) writes:
>If I understand the issues correctly myself (and please correct
>me if I'm wrong, which is entirely possible as I haven't had
>enough time to follow the whole discussion), Tom's main
>objection to the Perl documentation being GPLed is that it
>restricts how people can use the code examples from it in their
>own code. In other words, he wants the Perl documentation to be
>"free" in an even stronger sense than the GPL! How anyone can
>object to this I have no idea.
This is one of Tom's objections. Of course, the FSF task list
doesn't stipulate GPL, it merely mentions that the exisiting
documentation is not free[1] -- people cannot modify it.
I'm sure the FSF would be quite happy with a license that allowed
modification, even if it was not GPLed. Alternately, the documentation
could be GPL'ed, with an additional license allowing examples to be
used without restriction.
>Of course, to "give away" documentation in this extremely "free"
>way leaves the author's trust in people not to do the wrong
>things with it open to abuse. Hence Tom is also quite
>understandably concerned that he should not be abused as he has
>been before as a result of making these remarkably generous
>gifts to the community. Sadly, some people (not you of course)
>seem to be misinterpreting this concern and stating that Tom is
>only concerned with his own gain, or other ridiculous
>assertions.
This is all very well, but in the end he is asking the entire Perl
community to trust him to do the right thing. In other words, he
says "I don't trust you not to screw up my documentation, so
you have to trust me not to screw up my documentation". As he is
the one doing the work, this is his right, but you can understand
how people might wish that he would release some control over the
documentation.
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Date: 23 May 1998 15:15:25 GMT
From: fjh@cs.mu.oz.au (Fergus Henderson)
Subject: Re: GPL documentation == unspeakable evil
Message-Id: <6k6p6d$g9n$1@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
hgoldste@mpcs.com (Howard Goldstein) writes:
>On 23 May 1998 11:54:10 GMT, Fergus Henderson <fjh@cs.mu.oz.au> wrote:
> : hgoldste@mpcs.com (Howard Goldstein) writes:
> : >I'm not sure why these (and other) examples in a manual demonstrating
> : >basic, important features of an o/s were themselves GPLd.
> :
> : One possible reason why they may have been GPL'd is that the person
> : writing the documentation may have copied the examples from GPL'd
> : programs.
>
>Extremely sensible speculation. However, all of the examples carry
>copyrights crediting one of the manual's co-authors, freeing
>the author from a duty to reproduce another's notice.
In that case, why not take this issue up with the author in question?
--
Fergus Henderson <fjh@cs.mu.oz.au> | "I have always known that the pursuit
WWW: <http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/~fjh> | of excellence is a lethal habit"
PGP: finger fjh@128.250.37.3 | -- the last words of T. S. Garp.
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Date: 23 May 1998 16:24:45 GMT
From: hgoldste@mpcs.com (Howard Goldstein)
Subject: Re: GPL documentation == unspeakable evil
Message-Id: <slrn6mdu2d.dqi.hgoldste@bbs.mpcs.com>
On 23 May 1998 15:15:25 GMT, Fergus Henderson <fjh@cs.mu.oz.au> wrote:
: hgoldste@mpcs.com (Howard Goldstein) writes:
: >Extremely sensible speculation. However, all of the examples carry
: >copyrights crediting one of the manual's co-authors, freeing
: >the author from a duty to reproduce another's notice.
:
: In that case, why not take this issue up with the author in question?
I've not done so because I'd abandoned the project and linux some time
ago and don't care about the restrictions in that particular manual.
I do use perl all the time though and for the same core reason -
finite human life span - I'll not gnash teeth over those with surplus
time on their hands expending same in the cause of wheel reinvention.
Nothing I can do about it. I hope TC will also not worry about it and
carry on without regard to the distractions.
--
The ants are my friends, they're blowing in the wind
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 14:30:35 GMT
From: Tom Phoenix <rootbeer@teleport.com>
To: DannyM <maldonadod@ct-arng.ngb.army.mil>
Subject: Re: Having problems with cookies
Message-Id: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980523072624.22348C-100000@user2.teleport.com>
On Sat, 23 May 1998, DannyM wrote:
> Some browsers seem to refuse
> to send the cookies var back to my web server.
If the browser doesn't send what it's supposed to, that's not Perl's
fault! But you should know that many people have cookies turned off for
reasons detailed in the WWW Security FAQ.
http://www.w3.org/Security/Faq/
If you have further questions about cookies, the docs, FAQs, and
newsgroups about browsers, servers, and similar web-related things may be
able to help you. Good luck!
--
Tom Phoenix Perl Training and Hacking Esperanto
Randal Schwartz Case: http://www.rahul.net/jeffrey/ovs/
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Date: 23 May 1998 14:08:50 GMT
From: bbirthisel@aol.com (Bbirthisel)
Subject: Re: help
Message-Id: <1998052314085000.KAA06134@ladder01.news.aol.com>
Hi Charles:
>Fred Lovine <flovine@world.std.com> wrote:
> > I am using Perl 5.003 on both NT and Solaris platforms.
> > I am also using Perl 4.0 on HP-UX
> >
> > The following code works on the HP, but not NT or Solaris.
>Hm, puzzling results. However, here's a possible fork and
>exec workaround:
Which won't work on NT due to the missing "fork". Extension of $^E
($EXTENDED_OS_ERROR) to NT is in the development versions. It
may even be in the lastest maintenance release. But it is not supported
in either of the commonly available NT ports.
%%% print "command failed: $^E\n";
This is intended to do what you want - once you get a version which
supports it.
-bill
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Date: 23 May 1998 15:48:10 +0200
From: Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
Subject: Re: Killing a thread (was: Re: Stop Changing Subject Lines!!)
Message-Id: <rjvhqxyu79.fsf@zuse.+dina.kvl.dk>
Peter A Fein <p-fein@uchicago.edu> writes:
> barr@cis.ohio-state.edu (Dave Barr) writes:
>
> > No, only a subthread kill should kill a subthread. ("T," in trn)
> > A thread kill ("Tk" in trn) kills a thread.
> >
>
> Am I using trn?
No, you were just the victim of some unrequested newsreader advocacy.
That kind of thing happens all the time on the net.
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 14:36:43 GMT
From: Tom Phoenix <rootbeer@teleport.com>
To: Christian Beer <cb@austria-travelservice.com>
Subject: Re: Perl and JavaScript problem
Message-Id: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980523073455.22348E-100000@user2.teleport.com>
On Sat, 23 May 1998, Christian Beer wrote:
> I'm trying to write a perl program that opens a window in
> JavaScript.
The Perl part of what you posted seems to be valid Perl. Perhaps you
should check the docs, FAQs and newsgroups about JavaScript. Hope this
helps!
--
Tom Phoenix Perl Training and Hacking Esperanto
Randal Schwartz Case: http://www.rahul.net/jeffrey/ovs/
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 10:33:46 -0400
From: Arthur Dardia <ahdiii@webspan.net>
Subject: Re: PERL Newbie Question
Message-Id: <3566DE4A.401663D9@webspan.net>
I'd use SSI's to do that.
Arthur Dardia
Ken Adams wrote:
> I haven't done any Perl yet, but I'm wondering how to do this (should
> be fairly simple);
>
> Have a perl script check the server's time, and if the time is between
> 2pm and 6pm, then it prints a line or two of HTML code.
>
> Can anybody give me the quickie solution to this? Thanks!
>
> Ken
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 14:40:06 GMT
From: Tom Phoenix <rootbeer@teleport.com>
To: Ken Adams <kerebrusFSPAM@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: PERL Newbie Question
Message-Id: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980523073655.22348F-100000@user2.teleport.com>
On Fri, 22 May 1998, Ken Adams wrote:
> Subject: PERL Newbie Question
Please check out this helpful information on choosing good subject
lines. It will be a big help to you in making it more likely that your
requests will be answered.
http://www.perl.com/CPAN/authors/Dean_Roehrich/subjects.post
> Have a perl script check the server's time, and if the time is between
> 2pm and 6pm, then it prints a line or two of HTML code.
You probably want an 'if' block, as documented in the perlsyn manpage. If
that's not it, and if you can't find what you need from the docs, please
ask again. Hope this helps!
--
Tom Phoenix Perl Training and Hacking Esperanto
Randal Schwartz Case: http://www.rahul.net/jeffrey/ovs/
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 14:33:17 GMT
From: Tom Phoenix <rootbeer@teleport.com>
To: SHAILKUMAR <shailkumar@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Please advise!
Message-Id: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980523073117.22348D-100000@user2.teleport.com>
On 23 May 1998, SHAILKUMAR wrote:
> Subject: Please advise!
Please check out this helpful information on choosing good subject
lines. It will be a big help to you in making it more likely that your
requests will be answered.
http://www.perl.com/CPAN/authors/Dean_Roehrich/subjects.post
> I wrote two perl scripts "add.pl" and "password.pl".
>
> In password.pl, I included the statement
>
> require("add.pl");
That's good for loading a library, but not for just pulling the subs from
a script. Is that the problem you're having? Perhaps you should put the
common functions into a library, and name your scripts without the .pl
(Perl Library) extension, to avoid confusion.
Hope this helps!
--
Tom Phoenix Perl Training and Hacking Esperanto
Randal Schwartz Case: http://www.rahul.net/jeffrey/ovs/
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Date: 23 May 1998 13:53:12 GMT
From: bkline@cortex.nlm.nih.gov (Bob Kline)
Subject: Re: Problem de-referencing a reference to a typeglob stored in a hash
Message-Id: <6k6kc8$88o$1@lhc.nlm.nih.gov>
It looks as if much of the energy for this ng has been temporarily
diverted into side discussions, so here are the answers to my own
questions, as far as I have been able to determine.
1. There is no publicly available bug database for Perl. You just
throw a bug report over the fence, but you can't check first to
find out if it has already been reported, nor can you track its
progress.
2. The link to the perl porters list -- news://genetics.upenn.edu/
perl.porters-gw -- (to which one is directed for details of a
possible revival of the bug database at http://language.perl.com/
bugs/index.html) is broken.
3. The man page for perlbug isn't missing; you just can't get to it in
the hyperlink version of the docs on the web because the link from
http://www.perl.com/CPAN-local/doc/manual/html/pod/index.html is
missing. The command `man perlbug' works fine from the locally
installed docs.
I turned in the bug report. Nice utility, perlbug!
Bob
Bob Kline (bkline@cortex.nlm.nih.gov) wrote:
: OK, I'd like to report this as a bug, but I'm not having much luck
: finding out if it has already been reported. Is there a current
: bug database, along the lines of the one Sun maintains for Java?
: I found an old one on the perl.com site, but that hasn't been touched
: for a couple of years. The FAQ refers me to the perlbug man page,
: but unless it's kept in a separate place from all the other Perl
: man pages, that page does not exist, at least not in the online
: hypertext version of the docs at perl.com. What's the policy? Just
: throw it over the wall (no pun intended) blindly to the perlbug
: email alias?
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Date: 23 May 1998 14:54:05 GMT
From: Zenin <zenin@bawdycaste.org>
Subject: Re: Problem de-referencing a reference to a typeglob stored in a hash
Message-Id: <895935690.900433@thrush.omix.com>
Bob Kline <bkline@cortex.nlm.nih.gov> wrote:
: 2. The link to the perl porters list -- news://genetics.upenn.edu/
: perl.porters-gw -- (to which one is directed for details of a
: possible revival of the bug database at http://language.perl.com/
: bugs/index.html) is broken.
Hmm, must be an old link. The server is now at news.perl.com (an
alias to a server at upenn.edu, but not the genetics machine):
news://news.perl.com/perl.porters-gw
--
-Zenin
zenin@archive.rhps.org
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 14:12:12 GMT
From: fredrik@pythonware.com
Subject: Re: Suggestion Re: GNU attacks on the open software community
Message-Id: <6k6lfs$5ct$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
In article <6k2vup$lf2$1@csnews.cs.colorado.edu>,
tchrist@mox.perl.com (Tom Christiansen) wrote:
>
> I am thoroughly and utterly disgusted by every lying word you breath.
> May your lies follow you to Hell. Begone.
Ah. Both usenet and tchrist at their best, in a single post.
Forever archived by dejanews. Isn't this a wonderful world ?
Cheers /F
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 14:19:55 GMT
From: fredrik@pythonware.com
Subject: Re: Suggestion Re: GNU attacks on the open software community
Message-Id: <6k6lub$5rf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
In article <pudge-2205980832130001@dynamic417.ply.adelphia.net>,
pudge@pobox.com (Chris Nandor) wrote:
> I realize Tom is a public figure and as such is set up for public scrutiny
> and attacks. But that simple fact does not mean that you SHOULD attack
> him without basis or reason in this manner.
You mean tom is like bill, and would happily give away 95%
of his earnings if he could only find the time? (*)
Or maybe he already does that?
Or what's the problem here? Is there something wrong in
making money on something that one would most likely do
anyway? What is it I'm missing?
Cheers /F
*) "If they want to put in the consent decree that I'm going
to give away 95% of my wealth, I'd be glad to sign that. I do
this job because it's a fun job." -- Bill Gates
http://www.pathfinder.com/fortune/1998/980608/mic1.html
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