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Perl-Users Digest Mon, 18 Aug 2008 Volume: 11 Number: 1802
Today's topics:
Re: Calling Another Application From Perl <whynot@pozharski.name>
Re: CLPM - a help group? <justin.0805@purestblue.com>
Re: CLPM - a help group? <justin.0805@purestblue.com>
Re: Help: Debug perl codes <nospam@somewhere.com>
Re: HTTP Authorization in Header Request <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Re: HTTP Authorization in Header Request sheinrich@my-deja.com
Re: List Context in a Boolean Expression xhoster@gmail.com
Re: Programming Languages Decisions gw7rib@aol.com
Re: Programming Languages Decisions sln@netherlands.com
Re: Question about variable scope <nick@maproom.co.uk>
Re: This is very OT, and its just a request. It has to sln@netherlands.com
Re: This is very OT, and its just a request. It has to <jwkenne@attglobal.net>
Re: Tone generation question plus Windows XP and Vista <edgrsprj@ix.netcom.com>
Re: What is this problem <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Re: What is this problem <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:14:39 +0300
From: Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name>
Subject: Re: Calling Another Application From Perl
Message-Id: <v9uon5xf3m.ln2@carpet.zombinet>
M <no_spam@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> I want to call scp to transfer a file to another server.
Do some reading before.
> open(OUT, "|scp $backup_file $user\@$server:./");
Use 3-arg B<open>. Check return value of B<open>. Use lexical
filehandles.
Consider B<Net::SSH>.
> print OUT "$pass\n";
> close OUT;
Since you write in filehandle, then check return value of B<close> too.
> This does not work though. SCP does not allow to specify the password
> rather it prompts for it. Is there anyway to answer the prompt for
> password with perl?
B<Expect.pm>? (oops, too late).
p.s. oops, just gave B<apt-get> a try, and -- B<Net::SCP::Expect>
--
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:54:30 -0000
From: Justin C <justin.0805@purestblue.com>
Subject: Re: CLPM - a help group?
Message-Id: <358a.48a98d26.62a86@zem>
On 2008-08-16, Adam Worrall <worrall-unet@cs.bris.ac.uk> wrote:
> Justin C wrote:
>> On 2008-08-13, Adam Worrall <worrall+unet@remove.cs.bris.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> Stop assuming everyone agrees with the "popular" views.
>>
>> Stop assuming that everyone accept you doesn't.
>
> So, it's ok for you and others to make a particular assumption but it's
> not for someone of the opposing view? Why the double standard?
OK. Let's test your assumption that that there are persons (excluding
yourself) that think this is a help group.
ALL THOSE WHO THINK THIS NEWSGROUP IS NOT FOR PERL DISCUSSION, BUT IS A
FORUM FOR HELPING PEOPLE WITH PERL PROBLEMS SAY AYE!
Justin.
--
Justin C, by the sea.
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:11:14 -0000
From: Justin C <justin.0805@purestblue.com>
Subject: Re: CLPM - a help group?
Message-Id: <39b9.48a99112.54d7e@zem>
On 2008-08-16, Adam Worrall <worrall.unet@cs.bris.ac.uk> wrote:
> Justin C wrote:
>> On 2008-08-13, Adam Worrall <worrall-unet@cs.bris.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> John Bokma wrote:
>>>> Something that /appears/ to function as, in this case, a voluntary help
>>>> desk, doesn't make it one.
>>> It also doesn't not make it one. Why is it you can dictate what it is or
>>> isn't yet any other person who gets buried for it?
>>
>> Al Qaeda, selling cookies door-to-door, dressed as boy scouts,
>> apparently raising money for Georgian orphans doesn't make Al Qaeda a
>> charitable organisation either. They're still terrorists.
>
> What the hell does this have to do with anything?
Appearances can be deceptive... things aren't always as you see them...
sometimes you have to step back to see the bigger picture.... sometimes
you just want an argument and will walk into a room and antagonise
everyone in it.
Take your pick, I don't care, I'm only here for entertainment value...
well, apart from the perl discussion.
>> Did you come for a five minute argument or the full half-hour?
>
> I have not run away from anything, so please do not imply otherwise.
Eh?
>> Most normal people would have just given up by now and either gone away
>> or shut up, chalking one up to experience.
>
> Why, because _you_ saw that's right? That alone doesn't mean it _the_
> correct, or the only correct course of action. _Not_ giving up is
> sometimes the better approach, and giving up here only tells that the
> wrong side has been allowed to win.
Look, when you can explain yourself in English come back and try again.
Until that time I can only make assumptions about what you are trying to
say, and as you do not appear to be happy that people make assumptions,
I'll wait until I can be certain of your meaning before I reply.
>> You seem intent on making as many enemies as possible, and ending up
> > in a record number of kill-files.
>
> You seem intent on implying my intent :) My goal here is/was not to make
> as many enemies as possible, but it's clear one cannot voice against
> what may be the status-quo in some people's eyes, without getting buried
> by the very people who think they own the news group, which is quite
> laughable in and of itself.
>
>> Whatever your intention, if you request help here in the
>> future you may well find yourself short of respondents through
>> persevering with this stupid argument.
>
> Thanks, but I know how to find help when I need it.
>
>> Right or wrong, who cares when it's this tedious? Please, give it up.
>
> So what? Then why are you reading it. Weather or not the thread is
> boring to you, who are you dictate to others how to proceed in a thread?
Oh dear.
> A thread is for everyone, not just you. If you don't like a way a
> thread is going, than _don't_ _read_ _it_. It's very simple.
I think I'll do better than that.
<PLONK>
(yeah, I know, should have done it ages ago, shouldn't have get drawn
in).
> In fact, this sort of thing exactly proves me point about the certain
> type of people on Usenet who which to push their will on others, which
> really has no place in a peer to peer environment. There is no central
> government, and people who act like they are the president is what's the
> problem here.
I've been here several years, and I know there are quite a few who have
been here a lot longer. I've never found it to be as you say it is, I've
always found this group very civil. But then I'm not the sort of person
to walk into a room and start telling the people in it what they are and
aren't before I've been introduced.
Justin.
--
Justin C, by the sea.
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:33:28 -0400
From: "Thrill5" <nospam@somewhere.com>
Subject: Re: Help: Debug perl codes
Message-Id: <M72dnRpr38MgZTTVnZ2dnUVZ_oHinZ2d@comcast.com>
"Tad J McClellan" <tadmc@seesig.invalid> wrote in message
news:slrngag7ua.12a.tadmc@tadmc30.sbcglobal.net...
> Amy Lee <openlinuxsource@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Is there any way to debug perl codes like shell script with "sh -x"?
>
>
> Please do not continue to use this newsgroup as a service
> that reads the docs to you.
>
> Make at least some small effort to answer your questions yourself
> before resorting to asking here.
>
> Have you seen the Posting Guidelines that are posted here frequently?
>
>
> perldoc -q debug
>
> How do I debug my Perl programs?
>
>
> --
> Tad McClellan
> email: perl -le "print scalar reverse qq/moc.noitatibaher\100cmdat/"
Or else what? You'll stop posting and we all wont be able to read your
rants anymore?
Waahhhh!!!
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:28:57 -0400
From: Sherm Pendley <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Subject: Re: HTTP Authorization in Header Request
Message-Id: <m13al2s5om.fsf@dot-app.org>
"John" <john1949@yahoo.com> writes:
> Client Request program that sends an HTTP request to a Server Response
> program.
> The contents is picked up by the Server with no problem.
> However, it does not pick up the Authorization part of the header.
Any particular reason you're trying to supply authorization headers
manually, instead of using the credentials() method listed in the
LWP::UserAgent module docs?
sherm--
--
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Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:08:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: sheinrich@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: HTTP Authorization in Header Request
Message-Id: <0e2bcfc2-b255-4be1-a106-786935eef8c5@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>
On Aug 18, 5:28 pm, Sherm Pendley <spamt...@dot-app.org> wrote:
> "John" <john1...@yahoo.com> writes:
> > Client Request program that sends an HTTP request to a Server Response
> > program.
> > The contents is picked up by the Server with no problem.
> > However, it does not pick up the Authorization part of the header.
>
> Any particular reason you're trying to supply authorization headers
> manually, instead of using the credentials() method listed in the
> LWP::UserAgent module docs?
>
> sherm--
>
> --
UserAgent, AFAIK is only sending credentials in answer to 401 response
codes.
But some administrators have their servers configured to never send
out a 401.
They probably want to hide the http authorization which is generally
regarded as a weak protection scheme.
The sites can still be accessed if the header is provided voluntarily.
Either by script as above or by putting name:password@host in the
browser url.
Cheers, Steffen
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Date: 18 Aug 2008 16:38:57 GMT
From: xhoster@gmail.com
Subject: Re: List Context in a Boolean Expression
Message-Id: <20080818123859.599$wc@newsreader.com>
Michael Carman <mjcarman@mchsi.com> wrote:
> Jürgen Exner wrote:
> > Michael Carman <mjcarman@mchsi.com> wrote:
> >> That's the warning, but I don't think you quoted quite enough to
> >> explain the behavior.
> >
> > Well, no, of course I didn't. It was a teaser ...
> >
> >> I had to look it up myself because it seemed odd to me
> >
> > ... to have you do exactly that. After all, I assume you are old
> > enough not to need someone to read the man pages to you.
>
> I read this newsgroup for discussions about Perl, not to get homework
> assignments. While I can RTFM I'd rather discuss the behavior,
> particularly when that behavior is unintuitive.
>
> Getting back on-topic...
>
> It's obvious that the left operand must be evaluated in scalar context
> because it's a boolean test.
I wouldn't say it *must* do this. It could evaluate it in a list
context, then treat that resulting list as false (for purposes of
short-circuiting) if it is empty.
Xho
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:43:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: gw7rib@aol.com
Subject: Re: Programming Languages Decisions
Message-Id: <6cc451a2-7a0a-4960-b8df-7595d54d24e8@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
On 18 Aug, 13:59, "E.D.G." <edgrs...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0This report is intended for any computer programming exper=
ts who
> would like to propose that their favorite programming language is the one
> that should be used for the potentially important application that is bei=
ng
> discussed here.
(snip)
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I myself will be trying to convince governments etc. to us=
e the
> program for important research work. =A0It is essentially a probability n=
umber
> generator. =A0And among other things I will be trying to get them to deve=
lop
> more accurate probability equations. =A0Now that several fundamental and
> crucially important physics discoveries have been made there is almost
> unlimited room for improvement. =A0That work should be fairly easy for
> government and university researchers and perhaps even independent
> researchers once they have the original program. =A0They will be able to =
add
> their own equations and subroutines to it and use it to test their theori=
es
> and data.
(snip)
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0The first application enables government, university, and =
independent
> researchers to compare earthquakes with one another and in the process le=
arn
> how they are being triggered. =A0As far as I am aware, this is the first
> program of that type ever created that will enable them make those
> comparisons in an almost effortless manner.
So which is it?
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:43:24 GMT
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: Programming Languages Decisions
Message-Id: <e2mja4dohbeb8q3akdi4kttg65k8u22v7g@4ax.com>
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:43:40 -0700 (PDT), gw7rib@aol.com wrote:
>On 18 Aug, 13:59, "E.D.G." <edgrs...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> This report is intended for any computer programming experts who
>> would like to propose that their favorite programming language is the one
>> that should be used for the potentially important application that is being
>> discussed here.
>
>(snip)
>
>> I myself will be trying to convince governments etc. to use the
>> program for important research work. It is essentially a probability number
>> generator. And among other things I will be trying to get them to develop
>> more accurate probability equations. Now that several fundamental and
>> crucially important physics discoveries have been made there is almost
>> unlimited room for improvement. That work should be fairly easy for
>> government and university researchers and perhaps even independent
>> researchers once they have the original program. They will be able to add
>> their own equations and subroutines to it and use it to test their theories
>> and data.
>
>(snip)
>
>> The first application enables government, university, and independent
>> researchers to compare earthquakes with one another and in the process learn
>> how they are being triggered. As far as I am aware, this is the first
>> program of that type ever created that will enable them make those
>> comparisons in an almost effortless manner.
>
>So which is it?
I don't see the original message here or where it originates but is
Netcom still a domain?
Your crosspost has hit a Perl group though, not hardly a language to base
calculation intensive operations on.
I don't know what physics have changed (?), but unless someone has invented
some new transcendental function, existing commercial math package should work for
anything. There are a few good simulation software packages around.
I guess MatLab is a possibility as well.
If its something you want to do from scratch and need speed, all
languages resolve to assembly.
So something like a structured C/C++ based application,
or write a custom compiler for your own language.
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:35:14 +0100
From: Nick Wedd <nick@maproom.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Question about variable scope
Message-Id: <GioVkMJyaZqIFApu@maproom.demon.co.uk>
In message <2vckk.46238$nD.41284@pd7urf1no>, John W. Krahn
<someone@example.com> writes
>Perhaps you should read "Coping with Scoping" at
>http://perl.plover.com/FAQs/Namespaces.html
This is excellent advice!
The most important words on that page are
"my creates a local variable. local doesn't."
I have three books on Perl, which all seem too embarrassed to admit to
that simple fact. Instead, they ramble on about what local does without
ever actually explaining it.
I recommend everyone who is confused about 'my' and 'local' to read
http://perl.plover.com/FAQs/Namespaces.html
Nick
--
Nick Wedd nick@maproom.co.uk
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:55:05 GMT
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: This is very OT, and its just a request. It has to do with Ashton Tate Framework 2/PC World contest in the 1980's
Message-Id: <4o5ka4tuii8sk8ki48p2fip04hktmtorqv@4ax.com>
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:44:57 -0400, John W Kennedy <jwkenne@attglobal.net> wrote:
>sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:55:39 -0400, John W Kennedy <jwkenne@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>>>> It was recently brought to my attention, that my phrases,
>>>> my software phrase descriptions and in particular "Action Memo",
>>>> "Action Item's" are used heavily in contact management software
>>>> programs.
>>> A mere name is neither patentable nor copyrightable. It can be
>>> trademarked, but you have made no attempt to do so. If you go to a
>>> lawyer with this story, he will laugh at you and then bill you about
>>> €350 for wasting his time.
>>
>> Thanks for your response. Along with the terms you mention, in fact,
>> I wrote a program with a copyright label, that depicted exactly, the
>> modern day functions of Action Memo/Item's used in many software titles
>> today, including Lotus Notes. On the outer level, I've poste a word doc
>> with some scans. They provide simple evidence. In reality, I've got a
>> stack of printouts 6 inches thick.
>>
>> For the corporate world, I guess the terms were too good to substitute.
>
>The copyright on your code extends only to your code. I think we can
>regard it as a fairly safe assumption that no commercial software
>product today is written in Fred.
By that definition I could rewrite Windows XP in Borland C++ then
sell it as my Windows XP Operating System. Or encode Oliver Stones
Platoon into a wmv, then sell it as my Platoon.
For whatever intent or reason, "Action Memo" and "Action Item" exist
today in terms of pc software. The PC was invented in 1982. I wrote my
program in Fred for the pc. If you look at the flow diagram, you can clearly
see its intent as a directed action management program, complete with
deadlines, distribution, completion, multiple tools, query's, and a
shared unified record management system usable by multiple departments
(users) in a time of virtually non-existant pc networks or internet.
Serial communication (modems)/tty was a big thing then.
The fact that my copyright label was affixed and, that I even enterred
it into the PC-Magazine/World FW II contest, validated my copyright.
These people created a whole software suite out of it (GMAS):
http://oas.harvard.edu/gmas/deployment/releases.html
This guy patented it:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6622147.html
Some compaines have Trademarked "XXX Action Memo".
Lotus Notes has specific Action Memo/Item module integratted into thier
suite.
I have been looking for "Action Memo" on the internet. There are thousands of
hits. In the search for the earliest references to it, before my software there are
some Federal agency references to Memo's that are rewritten typed transcripts that have
inserted [Action] Memo.
There are millions of hits for "Action Item". None of which are before 1990.
I'm not saying I can Tradmark this, and I understand the concept of "art".
Everybody uses it like running water or electricity.
When Ashton-Tate read my code and docs, I'm sure the light bulb went off
and it was said, this is too good to be true.
They stole my art. Hey by the way, do you think Marconi invented the radio?
They gave him a patent for it. Check the patent office, they took it away
from Marconi and gave it to Tesla, 50 years later.
The radio is art don't you think?
Copyright
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Is a legal concept, enacted by governments, giving the creator
of an original work of authorship exclusive rights to it, usually
for a limited time, after which the work enters the public domain.
Generally, it is "the right to copy", but also gives the copyright
holder the right to be credited for the work, to determine who may
adapt the work to other forms, who may perform the work, who may
financially benefit from it, and other, related rights. It is an
intellectual property form (like the patent, the trademark, and the
trade secret) applicable to any expressible form of an idea or
information that is substantive and discrete.
http://oas.harvard.edu/gmas/deployment/releases.html
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:44:57 -0400
From: John W Kennedy <jwkenne@attglobal.net>
Subject: Re: This is very OT, and its just a request. It has to do with Ashton Tate Framework 2/PC World contest in the 1980's
Message-Id: <48a9edb6$0$7354$607ed4bc@cv.net>
sln@netherlands.com wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:55:39 -0400, John W Kennedy <jwkenne@attglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>>> It was recently brought to my attention, that my phrases,
>>> my software phrase descriptions and in particular "Action Memo",
>>> "Action Item's" are used heavily in contact management software
>>> programs.
>> A mere name is neither patentable nor copyrightable. It can be
>> trademarked, but you have made no attempt to do so. If you go to a
>> lawyer with this story, he will laugh at you and then bill you about
>> €350 for wasting his time.
>
> Thanks for your response. Along with the terms you mention, in fact,
> I wrote a program with a copyright label, that depicted exactly, the
> modern day functions of Action Memo/Item's used in many software titles
> today, including Lotus Notes. On the outer level, I've poste a word doc
> with some scans. They provide simple evidence. In reality, I've got a
> stack of printouts 6 inches thick.
>
> For the corporate world, I guess the terms were too good to substitute.
The copyright on your code extends only to your code. I think we can
regard it as a fairly safe assumption that no commercial software
product today is written in Fred.
--
John W. Kennedy
"Give up vows and dogmas, and fixed things, and you may grow like
That. ...you may come to think a blow bad, because it hurts, and not
because it humiliates. You may come to think murder wrong, because it
is violent, and not because it is unjust."
-- G. K. Chesterton. "The Ball and the Cross"
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:17:35 -0500
From: "E.D.G." <edgrsprj@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Tone generation question plus Windows XP and Vista information
Message-Id: <_7idnda_WeQcGTTVnZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@earthlink.com>
"Dr.Ruud" <rvtol+news@isolution.nl> wrote in message
news:g8btl6.kc.1@news.isolution.nl...
Since the single quote version of that command works I am going to be
content with it for the moment and get back to work on getting the .exe
version of my main program ready for circulation. If you check on this you
will see that I just posted another note formally notifying computer
programmers around the world that the program I have been discussing should
be available before too long. And some decisions will need to be made
regarding what computer programming languages should be used for this type
of effort in the future.
The Perl - Gnuplot combination in present use should be adequate for an
introductory effort to let people know about the program and enable
independent researchers to do some work in this area. But I would expect
that government agency and university scientists will eventually want to use
a program or programs that are actually designed to do this type of work.
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:19:56 -0400
From: Sherm Pendley <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Subject: Re: What is this problem
Message-Id: <m1bpzqs63n.fsf@dot-app.org>
Saurabh <saurabhperiwal@gmail.com> writes:
> cpan> install Cache::FastMap
> CPAN: Storable loaded ok
> Going to read /root/.cpan/Metadata
> Warning: Found only 0 objects in /root/.cpan/Metadata
> CPAN: LWP::UserAgent loaded ok
> Fetching with LWP:
> /authors/01mailrc.txt.gz
> LWP failed with code[400] message[URL must be absolute]
> Please check, if the URLs I found in your configuration file ( ) are
> valid.
> The urllist can be edited. E.g. with 'o conf urllist push
> ftp://myurl/'
The error means just what it says - the URL to the CPAN mirror in your
CPAN config file is not valid. From what it says its "Fetching with
LWP", it looks like the URL is empty, but it must be a absolute URL,
including the scheme and host name.
Use "o conf urllist" in the CPAN shell to display a list of the CPAN
mirrors you've configured, and the command suggested in the error
message to add one to the list.
sherm--
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:22:13 -0400
From: Sherm Pendley <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Subject: Re: What is this problem
Message-Id: <m17iaes5zu.fsf@dot-app.org>
"John" <john1949@yahoo.com> writes:
> "Saurabh" <saurabhperiwal@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>> Fetching with LWP:
>> /authors/01mailrc.txt.gz
>> LWP failed with code[400] message[URL must be absolute]
>> Please check, if the URLs I found in your configuration file ( ) are
>> valid.
>> The urllist can be edited. E.g. with 'o conf urllist push ftp://myurl/'
>>
>
> Try Cache::FastMmap. I think you have a missing 'm'.
Try reading the error message.
sherm--
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#perl-users-request@ruby.oce.orst.edu. Do not waste your time or mine
#sending perl questions to the -request address, I don't have time to
#answer them even if I did know the answer.
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