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Re: Backreferences: alias vs copy <willem@stack.nl>
Re: Backreferences: alias vs copy <rvtol+news@isolution.nl>
Re: Backreferences: alias vs copy <bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim>
Re: Backreferences: alias vs copy <willem@stack.nl>
new CPAN modules on Fri Aug 15 2008 (Randal Schwartz)
Posting Guidelines for comp.lang.perl.misc ($Revision: tadmc@seesig.invalid
Re: This is very OT, and its just a request. It has to <cwilbur@chromatico.net>
Re: Tone generation question plus Windows XP and Vista <john@castleamber.com>
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:12:54 +0000 (UTC)
From: Willem <willem@stack.nl>
Subject: Re: Backreferences: alias vs copy
Message-Id: <slrngaa7j6.ru.willem@snail.stack.nl>
John W. Krahn wrote:
) Michael Carman wrote:
)>
)> After poking around a bit more, I noticed that perlvar has this to say
)> in the entry for @- (@LAST_MATCH_START):
)>
)> $1 is the same as "substr($var, $-[1], $+[1] - $-[1])"
)>
)> I had always read that as "is equivalent to" but it would appear that a
)> literal interpretation is warranted. They really are the exact same.
)
) They are not *exactly* the same. You can assign to substr($var, $-[1],
) $+[1] - $-[1]) but you cannot assign to $1.
Which is a pity, IMHO. Assigning to $1 would be a good faeture.
SaSW, Willem
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:56:16 +0200
From: "Dr.Ruud" <rvtol+news@isolution.nl>
Subject: Re: Backreferences: alias vs copy
Message-Id: <g83jt2.1js.1@news.isolution.nl>
xhoster@gmail.com schreef:
> "comp.lang.c++" <ced@blv-sam-01.ca.boeing.com> wrote:
>> But if you never use $&, $` or $', then patterns without capturing
>> parentheses will not be penalized.
>
> This seems to imply that patterns *with* capturing parentheses will be
> penalized, even in the absence of $&, $` or $'.
No.
Without the special patterns, this penalisation just doesn't occur.
This penalisation is only there when the special patterns are there.
A single occurence of the patterns makes Perl do something extra (like
capturing) for every regex, but if a regex is already capturing anyway,
the penalisation is less personal.
(etc., like the Parror sketch)
--
Affijn, Ruud
"Gewoon is een tijger."
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:27:19 +0100
From: bugbear <bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim>
Subject: Re: Backreferences: alias vs copy
Message-Id: <mqednTxy_MR6oDjVnZ2dnUVZ8hydnZ2d@posted.plusnet>
Willem wrote:
> John W. Krahn wrote:
> ) They are not *exactly* the same. You can assign to substr($var, $-[1],
> ) $+[1] - $-[1]) but you cannot assign to $1.
>
> Which is a pity, IMHO. Assigning to $1 would be a good feature.
...of which an equivalent is shown above ! :-)
BugBear
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:33:34 +0000 (UTC)
From: Willem <willem@stack.nl>
Subject: Re: Backreferences: alias vs copy
Message-Id: <slrngaajbe.6os.willem@snail.stack.nl>
bugbear wrote:
) Willem wrote:
)> John W. Krahn wrote:
)> ) They are not *exactly* the same. You can assign to substr($var, $-[1],
)> ) $+[1] - $-[1]) but you cannot assign to $1.
)>
)> Which is a pity, IMHO. Assigning to $1 would be a good feature.
)
) ...of which an equivalent is shown above ! :-)
Agreed, it wouldn't be much more than syntactic sugar, but a lot
of the language is just that: syntactic sugar.
That should alo make it reasonably easy to implement, I would venture.
(Unless $1 were sometimes a copy and not always an alias...)
SaSW, Willem
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:42:21 GMT
From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal Schwartz)
Subject: new CPAN modules on Fri Aug 15 2008
Message-Id: <K5ML2L.ryw@zorch.sf-bay.org>
The following modules have recently been added to or updated in the
Comprehensive Perl Archive Network (CPAN). You can install them using the
instructions in the 'perlmodinstall' page included with your Perl
distribution.
App-Cache-0.34
http://search.cpan.org/~lbrocard/App-Cache-0.34/
Easy application-level caching
----
CAM-PDF-1.21
http://search.cpan.org/~cdolan/CAM-PDF-1.21/
PDF manipulation library
----
CGI-List-0.05
http://search.cpan.org/~romdav/CGI-List-0.05/
Easily generate HTML Lists From a DataBase
----
CPAN-Mini-Webserver-0.36
http://search.cpan.org/~lbrocard/CPAN-Mini-Webserver-0.36/
Search and browse Mini CPAN
----
Catalyst-Action-REST-0.64
http://search.cpan.org/~jshirley/Catalyst-Action-REST-0.64/
Automated REST Method Dispatching
----
Catalyst-Controller-POD-0.02001
http://search.cpan.org/~perler/Catalyst-Controller-POD-0.02001/
Serves PODs right from your Catalyst application
----
CatalystX-CRUD-Model-DBIC-0.03
http://search.cpan.org/~karman/CatalystX-CRUD-Model-DBIC-0.03/
DBIx::Class CRUD **DEPRECATED**
----
Chart-Clicker-1.99_06
http://search.cpan.org/~gphat/Chart-Clicker-1.99_06/
Powerful, extensible charting.
----
Chart-Clicker-1.99_07
http://search.cpan.org/~gphat/Chart-Clicker-1.99_07/
Powerful, extensible charting.
----
Crypt-PBC-0.853
http://search.cpan.org/~jettero/Crypt-PBC-0.853/
OO interface for the Stanford PBC library
----
DBD-SQLite-Amalgamation-3.6.1.1
http://search.cpan.org/~audreyt/DBD-SQLite-Amalgamation-3.6.1.1/
Single C-file based DBD::SQLite distribution
----
DBIx-Class-Journal-0.900001_01
http://search.cpan.org/~nuffin/DBIx-Class-Journal-0.900001_01/
----
DBIx-Class-Journal-0.900001_02
http://search.cpan.org/~nuffin/DBIx-Class-Journal-0.900001_02/
auditing for tables managed by DBIx::Class
----
Data-AMF-0.02003
http://search.cpan.org/~typester/Data-AMF-0.02003/
serialize / deserialize AMF data
----
Data-JavaScript-1.12
http://search.cpan.org/~jpierce/Data-JavaScript-1.12/
Dump perl data structures into JavaScript code
----
Data-JavaScript-1.13
http://search.cpan.org/~jpierce/Data-JavaScript-1.13/
Dump perl data structures into JavaScript code
----
Devel-Callsite-0.04
http://search.cpan.org/~teodor/Devel-Callsite-0.04/
Get current callsite and interpreter context
----
Devel-Refcount-0.03
http://search.cpan.org/~pevans/Devel-Refcount-0.03/
obtain the REFCNT value of a referent
----
Distribution-Cooker-0.10_01
http://search.cpan.org/~bdfoy/Distribution-Cooker-0.10_01/
This is the description
----
Document-Writer-0.04
http://search.cpan.org/~gphat/Document-Writer-0.04/
Library agnostic document creation
----
Every-0.06
http://search.cpan.org/~teodor/Every-0.06/
return true every N cycles or S seconds
----
GD-SVG-0.31
http://search.cpan.org/~twh/GD-SVG-0.31/
Seamlessly enable SVG output from scripts written using GD
----
Graphics-Primitive-Driver-Cairo-0.09
http://search.cpan.org/~gphat/Graphics-Primitive-Driver-Cairo-0.09/
Cairo backend for Graphics::Primitive
----
HTML-FormWidgets-0.1.67
http://search.cpan.org/~pjfl/HTML-FormWidgets-0.1.67/
Create HTML form markup
----
IO-Lambda-0.26
http://search.cpan.org/~karasik/IO-Lambda-0.26/
non-blocking I/O in lambda style
----
IPC-PubSub-0.28
http://search.cpan.org/~audreyt/IPC-PubSub-0.28/
Interprocess Publish/Subscribe channels
----
JS-Test-Simple-0.26
http://search.cpan.org/~ingy/JS-Test-Simple-0.26/
----
Layout-Manager-0.13
http://search.cpan.org/~gphat/Layout-Manager-0.13/
2D Layout Management
----
Lemonldap-Portal-Script-0.1
http://search.cpan.org/~egerman/Lemonldap-Portal-Script-0.1/
Perl extension for Lemonldap websso framework
----
Log-Log4perl-CommandLine-0.04
http://search.cpan.org/~ctilmes/Log-Log4perl-CommandLine-0.04/
Simple Command Line Interface for Log4perl
----
MooseX-MakeImmutable-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~rkrimen/MooseX-MakeImmutable-0.02/
A convenient way to make many Moosen immutable (or mutable) in one shot
----
Moxy-0.44
http://search.cpan.org/~tokuhirom/Moxy-0.44/
Mobile web development proxy
----
MySQL-Slurp-0.26
http://search.cpan.org/~ctbrown/MySQL-Slurp-0.26/
Use PIPEs to import a file into MySQL table.
----
Net-Plazes-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~rpettett/Net-Plazes-0.02/
Documentation for Perl interface to geo-services from http://plazes.net/
----
Net-Plazes-0.03
http://search.cpan.org/~rpettett/Net-Plazes-0.03/
Documentation for Perl interface to geo-services from http://plazes.net/
----
Net-Squid-Auth-Plugin-SimpleLDAP-0.01.03
http://search.cpan.org/~russoz/Net-Squid-Auth-Plugin-SimpleLDAP-0.01.03/
A simple LDAP-based credentials validation plugin for Net::Squid::Auth::Engine
----
PDF-Burst-1.10
http://search.cpan.org/~leocharre/PDF-Burst-1.10/
create one pdf doc for each page in existing pdf document
----
PDF-OCR-1.09
http://search.cpan.org/~leocharre/PDF-OCR-1.09/
get ocr and images out of a pdf file
----
Pod-Usage-CommandLine-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~ctilmes/Pod-Usage-CommandLine-0.02/
Add some common command line options from Pod::Usage
----
Rose-DBx-Object-MoreHelpers-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/~karman/Rose-DBx-Object-MoreHelpers-0.01/
more mixin helpers for RDBO
----
SMS-Send-Clickatell-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/~nobull/SMS-Send-Clickatell-0.01/
SMS::Send Clickatell Driver
----
Shipwright-1.12
http://search.cpan.org/~sunnavy/Shipwright-1.12/
Best Practical Builder
----
SourceCode-LineCounter-Perl-0.10_01
http://search.cpan.org/~bdfoy/SourceCode-LineCounter-Perl-0.10_01/
Count lines in Perl source code
----
Spread-3.17.4.1
http://search.cpan.org/~jesus/Spread-3.17.4.1/
Perl extension for the Spread group communication system
----
Sub-ParamFrame-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~schoejo/Sub-ParamFrame-0.02/
Supply key alias and defaults of named arguments.
----
Sub-ParamLoader-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~schoejo/Sub-ParamLoader-0.02/
Map named argument list into a hash modified according to a rule
----
SystemPerl-1.283
http://search.cpan.org/~wsnyder/SystemPerl-1.283/
SystemPerl Language Extension to SystemC
----
Test-Count-0.04
http://search.cpan.org/~shlomif/Test-Count-0.04/
Module for keeping track of the number of tests in a test script.
----
Test-Kit-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/~ovid/Test-Kit-0.01/
Build custom test packages with only the features you want.
----
Test-Kwalitee-1.00
http://search.cpan.org/~chromatic/Test-Kwalitee-1.00/
test the Kwalitee of a distribution before you release it
----
Test-Kwalitee-1.01
http://search.cpan.org/~chromatic/Test-Kwalitee-1.01/
test the Kwalitee of a distribution before you release it
----
Tie-Hash-Create-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~schoejo/Tie-Hash-Create-0.02/
Extend Tie::ExtraHash, enables the tie-object to reflect the tied array
----
Tie-Hash-KeysMask-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~schoejo/Tie-Hash-KeysMask-0.02/
Control key aliasing by mask function, e.g. omit case of character distinction
----
Tk-Pod-0.9939_50
http://search.cpan.org/~srezic/Tk-Pod-0.9939_50/
Pod browser toplevel widget
----
URI-ParseSearchString-2.5
http://search.cpan.org/~sden/URI-ParseSearchString-2.5/
parse Apache refferer logs and extract search engine query strings.
----
XML-Parser-Lite-Tree-0.05
http://search.cpan.org/~iamcal/XML-Parser-Lite-Tree-0.05/
Lightweight XML tree builder
----
XML-Parser-Lite-Tree-0.06
http://search.cpan.org/~iamcal/XML-Parser-Lite-Tree-0.06/
Lightweight XML tree builder
----
accessors-related-0.00_50
http://search.cpan.org/~srezic/accessors-related-0.00_50/
weak accessors
----
fixedtime-0.03
http://search.cpan.org/~abeltje/fixedtime-0.03/
lexical pragma to fix the epoch offset for time related functions
----
mobirc-1.03
http://search.cpan.org/~tokuhirom/mobirc-1.03/
modern IRC to HTTP gateway
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:12:07 GMT
From: tadmc@seesig.invalid
Subject: Posting Guidelines for comp.lang.perl.misc ($Revision: 1.8 $)
Message-Id: <b%9pk.4357$zv7.3662@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com>
Outline
Before posting to comp.lang.perl.misc
Must
- Check the Perl Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
- Check the other standard Perl docs (*.pod)
Really Really Should
- Lurk for a while before posting
- Search a Usenet archive
If You Like
- Check Other Resources
Posting to comp.lang.perl.misc
Is there a better place to ask your question?
- Question should be about Perl, not about the application area
How to participate (post) in the clpmisc community
- Carefully choose the contents of your Subject header
- Use an effective followup style
- Speak Perl rather than English, when possible
- Ask perl to help you
- Do not re-type Perl code
- Provide enough information
- Do not provide too much information
- Do not post binaries, HTML, or MIME
Social faux pas to avoid
- Asking a Frequently Asked Question
- Asking a question easily answered by a cursory doc search
- Asking for emailed answers
- Beware of saying "doesn't work"
- Sending a "stealth" Cc copy
Be extra cautious when you get upset
- Count to ten before composing a followup when you are upset
- Count to ten after composing and before posting when you are upset
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that explain your question, put them in a publically accessible
place (like a Web server) and provide a pointer to that location. If
you include code, cut and paste it directly in the message body.
Don't attach anything to the message. Don't post vcards or HTML.
Many people (and even some Usenet servers) will automatically filter
out such messages. Many people will not be able to easily read your
post. Plain text is something everyone can read.
Social faux pas to avoid
The first two below are symptoms of lots of FAQ asking here in clpmisc.
It happens so often that folks will assume that it is happening yet
again. If you have looked but not found, or found but didn't understand
the docs, say so in your article.
Asking a Frequently Asked Question
It should be understood that you may have missed the applicable FAQ
when you checked, which is not a big deal. But if the Frequently
Asked Question is worded similar to your question, folks will assume
that you did not look at all. Don't become indignant at pointers to
the FAQ, particularly if it solves your problem.
Asking a question easily answered by a cursory doc search
If folks think you have not even tried the obvious step of reading
the docs applicable to your problem, they are likely to become
annoyed.
If you are flamed for not checking when you *did* check, then just
shrug it off (and take the answer that you got).
Asking for emailed answers
Emailed answers benefit one person. Posted answers benefit the
entire community. If folks can take the time to answer your
question, then you can take the time to go get the answer in the
same place where you asked the question.
It is OK to ask for a *copy* of the answer to be emailed, but many
will ignore such requests anyway. If you munge your address, you
should never expect (or ask) to get email in response to a Usenet
post.
Ask the question here, get the answer here (maybe).
Beware of saying "doesn't work"
This is a "red flag" phrase. If you find yourself writing that,
pause and see if you can't describe what is not working without
saying "doesn't work". That is, describe how it is not what you
want.
Sending a "stealth" Cc copy
A "stealth Cc" is when you both email and post a reply without
indicating *in the body* that you are doing so.
Be extra cautious when you get upset
Count to ten before composing a followup when you are upset
This is recommended in all Usenet newsgroups. Here in clpmisc, most
flaming sub-threads are not about any feature of Perl at all! They
are most often for what was seen as a breach of netiquette. If you
have lurked for a bit, then you will know what is expected and won't
make such posts in the first place.
But if you get upset, wait a while before writing your followup. I
recommend waiting at least 30 minutes.
Count to ten after composing and before posting when you are upset
After you have written your followup, wait *another* 30 minutes
before committing yourself by posting it. You cannot take it back
once it has been said.
AUTHOR
Tad McClellan and many others on the comp.lang.perl.misc newsgroup.
--
Tad McClellan
email: perl -le "print scalar reverse qq/moc.noitatibaher\100cmdat/"
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:38:01 -0400
From: Charlton Wilbur <cwilbur@chromatico.net>
Subject: Re: This is very OT, and its just a request. It has to do with Ashton Tate Framework 2/PC World contest in the 1980's
Message-Id: <863al6j3km.fsf@mithril.chromatico.net>
>>>>> "sln" == sln <sln@netherlands.com> writes:
sln> It was recently brought to my attention, that my phrases, my
sln> software phrase descriptions and in particular "Action Memo",
sln> "Action Item's" are used heavily in contact management software
sln> programs.
sln> If the usage in terms did not happen to coincide with the exact
sln> software functionality, I would have not cared, however it is
sln> what I invented exactly!
"Action item" is as a management term of art. It is highly doubtful
that your use of the term was the first, let alone that all the other
uses of it were inspired by you.
sln> If you think I am telling the truth, and I am, any lawyers out
sln> there willing to take up my case?
I think a lawyer would tell you that unless you trademarked the term,
you're out of luck. But I am not a lawyer, and I offer you my advice
for free, rather than for hundreds of dollars an hour.
Charlton
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cwilbur@chromatico.net
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Date: 15 Aug 2008 05:15:14 GMT
From: John Bokma <john@castleamber.com>
Subject: Re: Tone generation question plus Windows XP and Vista information
Message-Id: <Xns9AFB294E84A5castleamber@130.133.1.4>
"E.D.G." <edgrsprj@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> "John Bokma" <john@castleamber.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9AF980A8C4B79castleamber@130.133.1.4...
>> Assuming you have Active Perl, check out Win32::Sound. I've used it
>> successfully in the past to play sounds (wav files).
>
> As I reported in another note I just posted, I did check the
> documentation and went looking for these types of routines in my
> program. I also tried to run them. Nothing happened. So, I will run
> some additional checks to see if I might have missed something.
>
> I wonder if the automatic download and install modules available for
> the ActiveState version of Perl 5.10 might not have those sound
> generation routines. Ones at the ActiveState site did not have the
> .exe program generation routines in them as far as I could tell. I
> had to get them from the Bribes.org Web site.
What does
perldoc Win32::Sound
report?
I can't imagine it got removed in Active Perl 5.10 and I am quite sure it
came with Active Perl 5.6 and 5.8
--
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Perl help in exchange for a gift:
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Date: 15 Aug 2008 05:29:41 GMT
From: John Bokma <john@castleamber.com>
Subject: Re: Tone generation question plus Windows XP and Vista information
Message-Id: <Xns9AFB507D842Ecastleamber@130.133.1.4>
John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> wrote:
> "E.D.G." <edgrsprj@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> "John Bokma" <john@castleamber.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9AF980A8C4B79castleamber@130.133.1.4...
>>> Assuming you have Active Perl, check out Win32::Sound. I've used it
>>> successfully in the past to play sounds (wav files).
>>
>> As I reported in another note I just posted, I did check the
>> documentation and went looking for these types of routines in my
>> program. I also tried to run them. Nothing happened. So, I will
>> run some additional checks to see if I might have missed something.
>>
>> I wonder if the automatic download and install modules available for
>> the ActiveState version of Perl 5.10 might not have those sound
>> generation routines. Ones at the ActiveState site did not have the
>> .exe program generation routines in them as far as I could tell. I
>> had to get them from the Bribes.org Web site.
>
> What does
>
> perldoc Win32::Sound
>
> report?
>
> I can't imagine it got removed in Active Perl 5.10 and I am quite sure
> it came with Active Perl 5.6 and 5.8
<http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/docs/ActivePerl/5.10/changes-510.html>
lists Win32-Sound, so to me it sounds like your're doing something wrong,
or something is wrong with your installation.
--
John http://johnbokma.com/ - Hacking & Hiking in Mexico
Perl help in exchange for a gift:
http://johnbokma.com/perl/help-in-exchange-for-a-gift.html
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