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Today's topics:
Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad <bill@ts1000.us>
Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad <sbour@niaid.nih.gov>
Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad <ben@morrow.me.uk>
Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad <vron@byu.edu.invalid>
Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad <vron@byu.edu.invalid>
Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad <sbour@niaid.nih.gov>
Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad <sbour@niaid.nih.gov>
Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad <wgumgfy@gmail.com>
Re: Net::SMTP and Postfix mai considered spam by google <john@linuxNOSPAMlad.org>
Re: Net::SMTP and Postfix mai considered spam by google <john1949@yahoo.com>
Re: Net::SMTP and Postfix mai considered spam by google <bill@ts1000.us>
Re: perl + python tutorial available for download <sun_tong_001@users.sourceforge.net>
Re: Perl Script to be automated <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Sed's N equivalent in Perl paragraph mode <sun_tong_001@users.sourceforge.net>
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 11:19:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bill H <bill@ts1000.us>
Subject: Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad
Message-Id: <1ced6b04-1c7d-4eff-afc4-1f543949bc40@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>
On Jul 5, 2:00=A0pm, "Vernan R." <v...@byu.edu.invalid> wrote:
> Stephan Bour wrote:
> > Ben Morrow wrote:
> > } Quoth Sherman Pendley <spamt...@dot-app.org>:
> > } >
> > } > Seriously! Otherwise this thread is going nowhere, and I'm
> > } > done with it.
> > }
> > } Thank you. I, at least, wish you'd reached this point somewhat
> > } sooner.
> > Do you mean to tell me that you believe Mr. Pendley hold absolutely no
> > responsibility for the thread taking the direction it did? Do you
> > really believe his behavior in the thread is an example of how one
> > should attempt to communicate with someone else?
>
> =A0 In real like, Pendley's behavior would never be tolerated.
> =A0 Especially in an academic institution.
>
> > In my humble opinion, people like Pendley need to be told what they
> > are doing wrong
>
> =A0 The problem is, people like him wont listen; they believe
> =A0 they are higher up in the intelligence chain and therefore
> =A0 don't have to adhere to the same rules of conduct as everyone
> =A0 else. At least this is the message he seems to be sending.
>
> --
> -Vern
Reading this thread I feel like I am back at school on the playground
and someone just yelled FIGHT!
Bill H
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 14:35:48 -0400
From: Sherman Pendley <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Subject: Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad
Message-Id: <m1lk0gw54r.fsf@dot-app.org>
"Vernan R." <vron@byu.edu.invalid> writes:
> The problem is, people like him wont listen; they believe
> they are higher up in the intelligence chain
You don't know the first thing about what I believe. Get over
yourself.
sherm--
--
My blog: http://shermspace.blogspot.com
Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:09:22 -0400
From: Sherman Pendley <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Subject: Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad
Message-Id: <m1hcb4w3kt.fsf@dot-app.org>
"Stephan Bour" <sbour@niaid.nih.gov> writes:
> Sherman Pendley wrote:
>
> } I asked him a simple two-word question: "Such
> } as?" I asked this because I use a Mac every day, and if there *are*
> } such problems I would sincerely like to know about them.
>
> You didn't ask that at first.
Check again please:
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.perl.misc/browse_frm/thread/2673dbe49b01e032/a0ef8bad667b1f81?lnk=raot#a0ef8bad667b1f81>
"Such as?" is *exactly* what I asked at first.
He chose to answer it with a condescending attitude, talking down to
me as if I'm a clueless newb who needs to be lectured about what line
endings "classic" MacOS used to use. Further, the example he gave
after the lecture showed a complete lack of understanding of the FTP
protocol, and a conclusion that was nonsensical on the face of it.
I'm happy to accept a lecture from someone who knows what they're
talking about, and I'm happy to help someone who doesn't. But I'll be
damned if I'm going to sit quietly and be lectured by someone who
knows jack about the subject at hand.
sherm--
--
My blog: http://shermspace.blogspot.com
Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:11:12 -0400
From: Sherman Pendley <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Subject: Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad
Message-Id: <m1d4lsw3hr.fsf@dot-app.org>
Bill H <bill@ts1000.us> writes:
> Reading this thread I feel like I am back at school on the
> playground and someone just yelled FIGHT!
Funny you should say that - I'm beginning to feel like the only adult
in a playground full of screaming children.
sherm--
--
My blog: http://shermspace.blogspot.com
Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:25:20 -0700
From: "Stephan Bour" <sbour@niaid.nih.gov>
Subject: Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad
Message-Id: <BUPbk.9782$89.5584@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>
Sherman Pendley wrote:
} "Stephan Bour" <sbour@niaid.nih.gov> writes:
}
} > Sherman Pendley wrote:
} >
} > } I asked him a simple two-word question: "Such
} > } as?" I asked this because I use a Mac every day, and if there *are*
} > } such problems I would sincerely like to know about them.
} >
} > You didn't ask that at first.
}
} Check again please:
}
}
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.perl.misc/browse_frm/thread/2673dbe49b01e032/a0ef8bad667b1f81?lnk=raot#a0ef8bad667b1f81>
}
} "Such as?" is *exactly* what I asked at first.
Ok, I made that mistake, but the point I was getting at is that you kept
pushing after he answered that question. He made it clear he didn't remember
al lthe details, but you kept on asking. You were more demanding then simply
asking.
} He chose to answer it with a condescending attitude, talking down to
} me as if I'm a clueless newb who needs to be lectured about what line
} endings "classic" MacOS used to use.
}
} Further, the example he gave after the lecture showed a complete
} lack of understanding of the FTP protocol, and a conclusion that
} was nonsensical on the face of it.
What the hell are you talking about? You are the one who kept "talking down"
and responding with a "condescending attitude". You are the one who kept
ignoring his responses and continued to ask. All he did was making a comment
and you turned it into some stupid crusade and now you're attempting to dish
out every trick in the book in order to vindicate yourself.
If you have a shred of decency, you'll stop spinning your elaborate web of
lies and just come out and admit you took all of this a bit too far, as that
is exactly what happened here. But if you prefer to live in your own
alternate reality that's your choice.
Stephan.
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 20:30:42 +0100
From: Ben Morrow <ben@morrow.me.uk>
Subject: Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad
Message-Id: <2ou4k5-i411.ln1@osiris.mauzo.dyndns.org>
Quoth Sherman Pendley <spamtrap@dot-app.org>:
> Bill H <bill@ts1000.us> writes:
>
> > Reading this thread I feel like I am back at school on the
> > playground and someone just yelled FIGHT!
>
> Funny you should say that - I'm beginning to feel like the only adult
> in a playground full of screaming children.
The sensible response, then, is not to keep screaming back.
(I'm saying this to you rather than anyone else in this thread because I
have somewhat more hope you'll see reason.)
Ben
--
And if you wanna make sense / Whatcha looking at me for? (Fiona Apple)
* ben@morrow.me.uk *
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:39:07 -0400
From: Sherman Pendley <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Subject: Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad
Message-Id: <m1wsk0unms.fsf@dot-app.org>
"Stephan Bour" <sbour@niaid.nih.gov> writes:
> and you turned it into some stupid crusade and now you're attempting
> to dish out every trick in the book in order to vindicate yourself.
Vindicate myself to whom? You? Who appointed you to the Usenet Police?
Get over yourself already.
sherm--
--
My blog: http://shermspace.blogspot.com
Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:40:16 -0400
From: Sherman Pendley <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Subject: Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad
Message-Id: <m1skuounkv.fsf@dot-app.org>
Ben Morrow <ben@morrow.me.uk> writes:
> Quoth Sherman Pendley <spamtrap@dot-app.org>:
>> Bill H <bill@ts1000.us> writes:
>>
>> > Reading this thread I feel like I am back at school on the
>> > playground and someone just yelled FIGHT!
>>
>> Funny you should say that - I'm beginning to feel like the only adult
>> in a playground full of screaming children.
>
> The sensible response, then, is not to keep screaming back.
An excellent point, and well taken. I'll do that.
sherm--
--
My blog: http://shermspace.blogspot.com
Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:40:50 -0700
From: "Vernan R." <vron@byu.edu.invalid>
Subject: Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad
Message-Id: <DN2dnZv7xMXeU_LVnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@wavecable.com>
Sherman Pendley wrote:
> Bill H <bill@ts1000.us> writes:
>
> > Reading this thread I feel like I am back at school on the
> > playground and someone just yelled FIGHT!
>
> Funny you should say that - I'm beginning to feel like the only adult
> in a playground full of screaming children.
I would say it looks more like this:
Person A is i nthe play ground and asks a question.
Person B reponds.
Person C makes a simple comment.
Person B responds, asking for more information.
Person C responds with some what limited information.
Person B, responds in anger and starts shoving, as
if disliking having been defied, in his eyes.
Person C responds again, to defend himself.
Person B shoves some more, continuing to escalate.
Person C shoves back, not liking being pushed, and
the situation quickly becomes a full blown
school yard fight.
Having gone through this thread quite thoroughly, I have
to conclude that you went way off the deep end. You could
of prevented the fight from happening if you could have
conducted yourself in a much more calmer tone; you did
come across as sounding very angry and antagonistic.
And to those defending him: If you truly wish to do some
good here, you should help him identify his problem rather
than encouraging such behavior.
--
-Vern
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:45:33 -0700
From: "Vernan R." <vron@byu.edu.invalid>
Subject: Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad
Message-Id: <a--dneynD6LDUvLVnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@wavecable.com>
Sherman Pendley wrote:
> "Vernan R." <vron@byu.edu.invalid> writes:
>
> > The problem is, people like him wont listen; they believe
> > they are higher up in the intelligence chain
>
> You don't know the first thing about what I believe. Get over
> yourself.
Given the way you have conducted yourself in this
thread, you have given the impression that you lack
proper social skills to properly deal with people
who think radically differently from your self.
To put it blunt, what does it matter what you
"believe"? I only find relevance in who you
conduct yourself. With the latter, you were less
than a model of pristine human communication.
--
-Vern
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:50:46 -0700
From: "Stephan Bour" <sbour@niaid.nih.gov>
Subject: Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad
Message-Id: <rgQbk.9785$89.7306@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>
Sherman Pendley wrote:
} "Stephan Bour" <sbour@niaid.nih.gov> writes:
}
} > and you turned it into some stupid crusade and now you're attempting
} > to dish out every trick in the book in order to vindicate yourself.
}
} Vindicate myself to whom? You? Who appointed you to the Usenet Police?
} Get over yourself already.
I am not more a "Usenet Police" officer than you are, yet you seem to have
no problem acting that way yourself; you clearly acted in a tone as if you
were scolding Gumbal for being defiant, for not answering in a way that was
satisfactory to *you*, as if anyone to participates in the same thread is
some how obligated to answer to you. I'm afraid I'm not the one who is
having trouble getting over thy self.
Stephan.
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:56:14 -0700
From: "Stephan Bour" <sbour@niaid.nih.gov>
Subject: Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad
Message-Id: <zlQbk.9787$89.1911@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>
Ben Morrow wrote:
} Quoth Sherman Pendley spamtrap@dot-app.org:
} > Bill H <bill@ts1000.us> writes:
} >
} > > Reading this thread I feel like I am back at school on the
} > > playground and someone just yelled FIGHT!
} >
} > Funny you should say that - I'm beginning to feel like the only adult
} > in a playground full of screaming children.
}
} The sensible response, then, is not to keep screaming back.
}
} (I'm saying this to you rather than anyone else in this thread
} because I have somewhat more hope you'll see reason.)
That's it, keep defending the one who perpetuated the source of the conflict
you're talking about. You really aren't helping him by telling him it's ok
to bully people around. It would be nice if people like you would, instead
of defending people you've often conversed with and instead act upon what
you know is right or wrong. Every bone in my body tells me what Mr. Pendley
did in this thread was a bad example of how to handle that sort of
situation. You don't back people who you don't understand into a corner, and
then turn around and wonder why they are responding in such a defensive
manner. Defending this behavior is just absurd.
No offense, but I don't expect you to listen. Which would be rather ironic,
since you're the one speaking about listening to reason... I can only hope
you truly believe in doing just that.
Stephan.
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 14:07:47 -0700
From: "Waylen Gumbal" <wgumgfy@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad
Message-Id: <6da654F1illiU1@mid.individual.net>
Ben Morrow wrote:
> Quoth Sherman Pendley <spamtrap@dot-app.org>:
> > Bill H <bill@ts1000.us> writes:
> >
> > > Reading this thread I feel like I am back at school on the
> > > playground and someone just yelled FIGHT!
> >
> > Funny you should say that - I'm beginning to feel like the only
> > adult
> > in a playground full of screaming children.
>
> The sensible response, then, is not to keep screaming back.
>
> (I'm saying this to you rather than anyone else in this thread
> because I have somewhat more hope you'll see reason.)
I have tried to be quite reasonable but it appears it's impossible to
see eye to someone who keeps blinking. I also understand the want to
defend a fellow comrade, but it seems some people like you take that too
far, like here where you are defending Sherman when he is wrong. I came
after me in a water wicked tone. I real life this would never fly, so
why should it be allowed to here?
--
wg
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:57:16 -0700
From: -linux_lad <john@linuxNOSPAMlad.org>
Subject: Re: Net::SMTP and Postfix mai considered spam by googlemail
Message-Id: <W8adnc4FFsuNWfLVnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@giganews.com>
John wrote:
> Hi
>
> I am looking at Net:SMTP and keyed in the following code as a test:
>
> use Net::SMTP;
> my $smtp=Net::SMTP->new
> ("www.example.com",Hello=>'www.example.com',TimeOut=>60,Debug=>1);
> $smtp->mail("john\@example.com");
> $smtp->recipient("one.two\@googlemail.com");
> $smtp->auth('joe','soap');
> $smtp->data;
> $smtp->datasend("From: john\@example.com\n");
> $smtp->datasend("To: one.two\@googlemail.com\n");
Assuming the code you posted is what you actually ran:
One possible explanation for the issue you're having is that you are
forging the domain name "example.com". Spammers usually forge the return
address to make it harder to catch them. Practically everyone these days
treats email with bogus return addresses as spam or scores it
accordingly. Try putting your real domain in the return address. When
the SMTP server does a reverse lookup to validate that the email came
from the domain it's purported to be from, it won't be scored so highly.
--
-linux_lad
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 20:44:18 +0100
From: "John" <john1949@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Net::SMTP and Postfix mai considered spam by googlemail
Message-Id: <g4oiud$3m9$1@news.albasani.net>
"-linux_lad" <john@linuxNOSPAMlad.org> wrote in message
news:W8adnc4FFsuNWfLVnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@giganews.com...
> John wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I am looking at Net:SMTP and keyed in the following code as a test:
>>
>> use Net::SMTP;
>> my $smtp=Net::SMTP->new
>> ("www.example.com",Hello=>'www.example.com',TimeOut=>60,Debug=>1);
>> $smtp->mail("john\@example.com");
>> $smtp->recipient("one.two\@googlemail.com");
>> $smtp->auth('joe','soap');
>> $smtp->data;
>> $smtp->datasend("From: john\@example.com\n");
>> $smtp->datasend("To: one.two\@googlemail.com\n");
>
> Assuming the code you posted is what you actually ran:
>
> One possible explanation for the issue you're having is that you are
> forging the domain name "example.com". Spammers usually forge the return
> address to make it harder to catch them. Practically everyone these days
> treats email with bogus return addresses as spam or scores it accordingly.
> Try putting your real domain in the return address. When the SMTP server
> does a reverse lookup to validate that the email came from the domain it's
> purported to be from, it won't be scored so highly.
>
> --
> -linux_lad
Hi
I replaced the true adress with example.com
My guess the problem is in the header but I cannot see it.
Regards
John
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 13:25:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bill H <bill@ts1000.us>
Subject: Re: Net::SMTP and Postfix mai considered spam by googlemail
Message-Id: <eaaf90f1-8789-40aa-b4e9-392b1f3b96bc@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>
On Jul 5, 3:44=A0pm, "John" <john1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "-linux_lad" <j...@linuxNOSPAMlad.org> wrote in message
>
> news:W8adnc4FFsuNWfLVnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > John wrote:
> >> Hi
>
> >> I am looking at Net:SMTP and keyed in the following code as a test:
>
> >> use Net::SMTP;
> >> my $smtp=3DNet::SMTP->new
> >> ("www.example.com",Hello=3D>'www.example.com',TimeOut=3D>60,Debug=3D>1=
);
> >> $smtp->mail("john\@example.com");
> >> $smtp->recipient("one.two\@googlemail.com");
> >> $smtp->auth('joe','soap');
> >> $smtp->data;
> >> $smtp->datasend("From: john\@example.com\n");
> >> $smtp->datasend("To: one.two\@googlemail.com\n");
>
> > Assuming the code you posted is what you actually ran:
>
> > One possible explanation for the issue you're having is that you are
> > forging the domain name "example.com". Spammers usually forge the retur=
n
> > address to make it harder to catch them. Practically everyone these day=
s
> > treats email with bogus return addresses as spam or scores it according=
ly.
> > Try putting your real domain in the return address. When the SMTP serve=
r
> > does a reverse lookup to validate that the email came from the domain i=
t's
> > purported to be from, it won't be scored so highly.
>
> > --
> > -linux_lad
>
> Hi
> I replaced the true adress with example.com
> My guess the problem is in the header but I cannot see it.
> Regards
> John- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I have had this issue before with AOL (and occasionally Yahoo) calling
perl generated (or more accurately, sendmail generated) mail spam. If
your site is on a shared server, and the domain name you are using is
not the domain name of the server, then your sending address and the
address it is from will not match and be considered spam. Or, if the
domain name for the server does not have a proper reverse lookup then
perl gerenated mail can be considered spam.
Using your example.com domain name, if the shared server's domain name
is admin.example.com and the website that is running the perl code is
www.somename.com then your website will not match up with the server
domain name.
If you running this on your own machine and sending out through your
ISP I think this could apply also, since the IP it is coming from does
not match the domain name IP in the email.
Bill H
PS - I could be totally wrong here - this has just been my experience.
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:06:27 -0500
From: * Tong * <sun_tong_001@users.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: perl + python tutorial available for download
Message-Id: <BKudnSKhOuz-bfLVnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@golden.net>
On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:02:24 +0000, Ben Bullock wrote:
> I'm a big fan of code samples - most of my code starts as other people's
> code samples.
What I think is missing, Xah, is that the actual result. I.e, showing that
"you can do this" only covers less than half of the tutorial, showing what
the result is is more important.
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:10:56 GMT
From: Jürgen Exner <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Perl Script to be automated
Message-Id: <hfhv645u1m5ch281du174laiiqa00a40bo@4ax.com>
"Graham Feeley" <grahamjfeeley@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>Basically it scrapes results from sports events on a daily basis.
>It was written for me by a friend whom dabbles in Perl and he says he has no
>idea how to automate it to cycle through events.
>I am happy with this script , but it would be interesting to see what extra
>code would be involved to automate the cycling through the events.
Please explain what you mean by "cycling through events".
From your first sentence it appears as if the script already
- handles multiple sport events
- runs daily
So I don't see where you want any additional cycling.
jue
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:52:30 -0500
From: * Tong * <sun_tong_001@users.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Sed's N equivalent in Perl paragraph mode
Message-Id: <BKudnSOhOuyDcPLVnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@golden.net>
Hi,
I want to remove this and next paragraph when criteria is met in this
paragraph. If expressed in sed, it'll be:
sed -paragraph_mode '/criteria/{N; d; }'
I tried the following in Perl, but neither works:
perl -n000e 'if (/criteria/) { next; next; }'
or,
perl -n000e '
if (/criteria/) { next; $skip_next=1; }
if ($skip_next) { next; $skip_next=0; }
'
Please help.
Thanks
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