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Re: FAQ 8.28 How can I call backticks without shell pro <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
Re: FAQ 8.28 How can I call backticks without shell pro <willem@stack.nl>
Re: FAQ 8.28 How can I call backticks without shell pro <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
Re: FAQ 8.28 How can I call backticks without shell pro <szrRE@szromanMO.comVE>
Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad <sbour@niaid.nih.gov>
Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad <sbour@niaid.nih.gov>
Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad <sbour@niaid.nih.gov>
Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad <sbour@niaid.nih.gov>
Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad <vron@byu.edu.invalid>
Generating fancy/pretty documents <bernie@fantasyfarm.com>
Re: Generating fancy/pretty documents <joost@zeekat.nl>
Net::SMTP and Postfix mai considered spam by googlemail <john1949@yahoo.com>
Perl Script to be automated <grahamjfeeley@optusnet.com.au>
Re: Perl Script to be automated (Jens Thoms Toerring)
Re: Perl Script to be automated <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Re: Perl Script to be automated <greymausg@mail.com>
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 10:50:24 +0200
From: "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
Subject: Re: FAQ 8.28 How can I call backticks without shell processing?
Message-Id: <slrng6udeg.d80.hjp-usenet2@hrunkner.hjp.at>
On 2008-07-04 18:55, szr <szrRE@szromanMO.comVE> wrote:
> Uri Guttman wrote:
>>>>>>> "s" == szr <szrRE@szromanMO.comVE> writes:
>>
>> s> Uri Guttman wrote:
>> >>>>>>> "s" == szr <szrRE@szromanMO.comVE> writes:
>>
>> >> perl -e '@e = qw( a b c ); open( $e, "-|", 'echo', @e ); print
>> >> <$e>'
>> >> a b c
>
> I think you meant to have "echo" not 'echo',
Why do you think so?
hp
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:59:19 +0000 (UTC)
From: Willem <willem@stack.nl>
Subject: Re: FAQ 8.28 How can I call backticks without shell processing?
Message-Id: <slrng6uhfn.rbb.willem@snail.stack.nl>
Peter J. Holzer wrote:
) On 2008-07-04 18:55, szr <szrRE@szromanMO.comVE> wrote:
)> Uri Guttman wrote:
)>>>>>>> "s" == szr <szrRE@szromanMO.comVE> writes:
)>>
)>> s> Uri Guttman wrote:
)>> >>>>>>> "s" == szr <szrRE@szromanMO.comVE> writes:
)>>
)>> >> perl -e '@e = qw( a b c ); open( $e, "-|", 'echo', @e ); print
)>> >> <$e>'
)>> >> a b c
)>
)> I think you meant to have "echo" not 'echo',
)
) Why do you think so?
perl -e 'print 'echo'; '
See the problem now ?
SaSW, Willem
--
Disclaimer: I am in no way responsible for any of the statements
made in the above text. For all I know I might be
drugged or something..
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#EOT
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 13:39:13 +0200
From: "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
Subject: Re: FAQ 8.28 How can I call backticks without shell processing?
Message-Id: <slrng6unb1.fuj.hjp-usenet2@hrunkner.hjp.at>
On 2008-07-05 09:59, Willem <willem@stack.nl> wrote:
> Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> ) On 2008-07-04 18:55, szr <szrRE@szromanMO.comVE> wrote:
> )> Uri Guttman wrote:
>)>>>>>>> "s" == szr <szrRE@szromanMO.comVE> writes:
> )>>
> )>> s> Uri Guttman wrote:
>)>> >>>>>>> "s" == szr <szrRE@szromanMO.comVE> writes:
> )>>
> )>> >> perl -e '@e = qw( a b c ); open( $e, "-|", 'echo', @e ); print
> )>> >> <$e>'
> )>> >> a b c
> )>
> )> I think you meant to have "echo" not 'echo',
> )
> ) Why do you think so?
>
> perl -e 'print 'echo'; '
>
> See the problem now ?
Yep. I missed the fact that it was called on the command line, and
thought that szr was referring to the difference between single and
double quotes in Perl. If he had suggested using q{} it would have been
clearer.
Looking at Uri's code again, I find it strange that he used double
quotes for "-|" but single quotes for 'echo'. But when typing commands
interactively, consistency is not to be expected.
hp
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 10:36:45 -0700
From: "szr" <szrRE@szromanMO.comVE>
Subject: Re: FAQ 8.28 How can I call backticks without shell processing?
Message-Id: <g4obfe0s0b@news4.newsguy.com>
Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> On 2008-07-05 09:59, Willem <willem@stack.nl> wrote:
>> Peter J. Holzer wrote:
>> ) On 2008-07-04 18:55, szr <szrRE@szromanMO.comVE> wrote:
>> )> Uri Guttman wrote:
>> )>>>>>>> "s" == szr <szrRE@szromanMO.comVE> writes:
>> )>>
>> )>> s> Uri Guttman wrote:
>> )>> >>>>>>> "s" == szr <szrRE@szromanMO.comVE> writes:
>> )>>
>> )>> >> perl -e '@e = qw( a b c ); open( $e, "-|", 'echo', @e ); print
>> )>> >> <$e>'
>> )>> >> a b c
>> )>
>> )> I think you meant to have "echo" not 'echo',
>> )
>> ) Why do you think so?
>>
>> perl -e 'print 'echo'; '
>>
>> See the problem now ?
>
> Yep. I missed the fact that it was called on the command-line, and
> thought that szr was referring to the difference between single and
> double quotes in Perl. If he had suggested using q{} it would have
> been clearer.
Sorry if I wasn't clear enough. I was indeed referring to it's usage
from the commandline.
> Looking at Uri's code again, I find it strange that he used double
> quotes for "-|" but single quotes for 'echo'. But when typing commands
> interactively, consistency is not to be expected.
True, though proper use of quotes on the command-line /is/ expected. :-)
--
szr
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 07:29:25 -0700
From: "Stephan Bour" <sbour@niaid.nih.gov>
Subject: Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad
Message-Id: <azLbk.9742$89.4572@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>
Ben Morrow wrote:
} Quoth Sherman Pendley <spamtrap@dot-app.org>:
} >
} > Seriously! Otherwise this thread is going nowhere, and I'm
} > done with it.
}
} Thank you. I, at least, wish you'd reached this point somewhat sooner.
Do you mean to tell me that you believe Mr. Pendley hold absolutely no
responsibility for the thread taking the direction it did? Do you really
believe his behavior in the thread is an example of how one should attempt
to communicate with someone else?
In my humble opinion, people like Pendley need to be told what they are
doing wrong, rather than simple encouraged to continue attacking people like
this. I honestly can not hold Mr. Gumbal at fault in this thread as it is
quite evident he was forced into a corner. This is just wrong.
Stephan.
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 07:46:52 -0700
From: "Stephan Bour" <sbour@niaid.nih.gov>
Subject: Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad
Message-Id: <yPLbk.9745$89.6328@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>
Sherman Pendley wrote:
} Ben Morrow <ben@morrow.me.uk> writes:
}
} > Quoth Sherman Pendley <spamtrap@dot-app.org>:
} > >
} > > Seriously! Otherwise this thread is going nowhere, and I'm
} > > done with it.
} >
} > Thank you. I, at least, wish you'd reached this point somewhat
} > sooner.
}
} I always try to give people a chance to discuss things rationally. A
} demonstration of hope over experience, I guess. But even the most
} optimistic of us has to give up on hopeless trolls eventually.
But this isn't' what *you* did. You backed Mr. Gumbal into a corner, you
started a fight where once surely wasn't needed. You did anything but
discuss things rationally. You turned a discussion into a lawyer-esque
attack. This not an example people should be seeing.
Stephan.
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 08:33:30 -0700
From: "Stephan Bour" <sbour@niaid.nih.gov>
Subject: Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad
Message-Id: <fvMbk.31429$ZE5.15856@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>
Sherman Pendley wrote:
} "Waylen Gumbal" <wgumgfy@gmail.com> writes:
}
} > Why must you lie to make your points?
}
} That's it. I've tried to be civil with you, and I'm tired of your
} constant attacks and refusal to discuss a technical issue in a
} rational manner. Into the killfile you go.
You have not been arguing in in a rational manner. You have completely
ignored his responses saying he doesn't have all the details, and you
repeatedly made assuptions and assertions he did not make. You are the one
who is in the wrong here. Stop being such a bully for $deity sake.
Stephan.
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:45:50 -0400
From: Sherman Pendley <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Subject: Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad
Message-Id: <m1mykwtjv5.fsf@dot-app.org>
"Stephan Bour" <sbour@niaid.nih.gov> writes:
> } I always try to give people a chance to discuss things rationally. A
> } demonstration of hope over experience, I guess. But even the most
> } optimistic of us has to give up on hopeless trolls eventually.
>
> But this isn't' what *you* did.
That is in fact exactly what I did. He asserted that Mac-based FTP
servers had "problems". I asked him a simple two-word question: "Such
as?" I asked this because I use a Mac every day, and if there *are*
such problems I would sincerely like to know about them.
I continued to give him every chance to support his assertion with
evidence. Instead of doing so, he resorted to crying about civility
and accusing me of being a liar.
> You turned a discussion into a lawyer-esque attack.
Nonsense. A request for evidence to support a dubious claim is not an
"attack." If someone can't argue a technical point without taking it
personally, that's *his* problem, not mine.
> This not an example people should be seeing.
What do you suggest as an alternative then? Should we allow nonsense
to stand unremarked and uncorrected, potentially misleading those who
don't know better, just to avoid hurting the feelings of the over-
sensitive and easily offended?
This is a technical forum. If you want sound, accurate advice about
Perl, you can find it here. If you want warm fuzzy feelings and
unquestioning devotion, adopt a puppy.
sherm--
--
My blog: http://shermspace.blogspot.com
Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 10:51:49 -0700
From: "Stephan Bour" <sbour@niaid.nih.gov>
Subject: Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad
Message-Id: <WwObk.14337$mh5.376@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com>
Sherman Pendley wrote:
> "Stephan Bour" <sbour@niaid.nih.gov> writes:
}
} > } I always try to give people a chance to discuss things rationally.
} > } A demonstration of hope over experience, I guess. But even the most
} > } optimistic of us has to give up on hopeless trolls eventually.
} >
} > But this isn't' what *you* did.
}
} That is in fact exactly what I did. He asserted that Mac-based FTP
} servers had "problems".
No he didn't. He said he encountered a with line termination translation and
used a Mac server as an example. That's not the same as saying the Mac ftp's
are bugged. You are mixing two different things.
} I asked him a simple two-word question: "Such
} as?" I asked this because I use a Mac every day, and if there *are*
} such problems I would sincerely like to know about them.
You didn't ask that at first. You came across as demanding, which is hardly
the way to persuade someone to deal nice with you. He also had already told
you he was just recalling an experience and didn't recall all the details
but you ignored that and persisted.
} I continued to give him every chance to support his assertion with
} evidence.
Why is it you cannot distinguish between a simpel comment and a detailed
assertion about something?
} Instead of doing so, he resorted to crying about civility and
} accusing me of being a liar.
Because you were pushing rather hard. On top of that you kept on telling him
he made assertions he never made. In my book that constitutes a lie. Or at
least, it's dishonest.
} > You turned a discussion into a lawyer-esque attack.
}
} Nonsense. A request for evidence to support a dubious claim is not an
} "attack." If someone can't argue a technical point without taking it
} personally, that's *his* problem, not mine.
What is wrong with you? It was a comment from something he was remembering.
Do you honestly remember every single detail about every single thing you've
done in your life time?
} > This not an example people should be seeing.
}
} What do you suggest as an alternative then? Should we allow nonsense
} to stand unremarked and uncorrected, potentially misleading those who
} don't know better, just to avoid hurting the feelings of the over-
} sensitive and easily offended?
This was clearly not an issue about nonsense, but about people like yourself
who spin into their own personal crusades just because they don't agree with
something or because they have to see and push something as being more than
it really is. a simple comment is not always meant to be taken in the same
way as a detailed write up on a given subject. Sometimes such things should
be taken at face value.
And if someone does in fact answer you and you blatantly ignore it and
continue on pushing, then you are clearly in the wrong, and should
apologize, if you have any honour.
} This is a technical forum. If you want sound, accurate advice about
} Perl, you can find it here.
There's no reason one shouldn't be able to make a simple comment without
being put in front of a firing squad. Please stop making excuses for verbal
brutality.
Stephan.
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 11:00:12 -0700
From: "Vernan R." <vron@byu.edu.invalid>
Subject: Re: Formatting ASCII to be read by Windows NotePad
Message-Id: <KfSdnbL-GfkyK_LVnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@wavecable.com>
Stephan Bour wrote:
> Ben Morrow wrote:
> } Quoth Sherman Pendley <spamtrap@dot-app.org>:
> } >
> } > Seriously! Otherwise this thread is going nowhere, and I'm
> } > done with it.
> }
> } Thank you. I, at least, wish you'd reached this point somewhat
> } sooner.
> Do you mean to tell me that you believe Mr. Pendley hold absolutely no
> responsibility for the thread taking the direction it did? Do you
> really believe his behavior in the thread is an example of how one
> should attempt to communicate with someone else?
In real like, Pendley's behavior would never be tolerated.
Especially in an academic institution.
> In my humble opinion, people like Pendley need to be told what they
> are doing wrong
The problem is, people like him wont listen; they believe
they are higher up in the intelligence chain and therefore
don't have to adhere to the same rules of conduct as everyone
else. At least this is the message he seems to be sending.
--
-Vern
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 09:52:24 -0400
From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@fantasyfarm.com>
Subject: Generating fancy/pretty documents
Message-Id: <s9uu64lsokll87t6ovfmd7c5ut6jkcn80l@library.airnews.net>
Suggestions on how to produce "nice" text documents from Perl? Plain text
is easy, of course, but I need to be able to do fancier/formatted stuff.
What I've done in the past is generate HTML [with <tables>, <fonts>, etc]
and then use an app like HTMLDOC to convert that to PDF (and, indeed, a
long time back I used to generate troff input and use ghostscript to
process *that*). That kind of approach sort of works, but the whole
procedure is a bit klunky and fragile. Is there some way to produce
"pretty" PDF or ODF document directly? I see there's a suite of modules
PDF::API2 -- it looks pretty complicated....anyone used that? PDF::Create
also seems complicated.
Am I just being naive about this? As I say, in the past I've used troff
and HTML as an intermediate "layout" format and things like fonts, titles,
indenting, tables, simple drawing (e.g., putting a box around some text)
etc were all relatively easy. Is that kind of thing easy/reasonable to do
with one of the "direct to PDF" packages? In looking at the organization
and methods for the PDF modules, using HTMLDOC (<http://www.htmldoc.org/>)
starts looking more and more attractive...:o) Thanks!
/Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell Fantasy Farm Fibers
bernie@fantasyfarm.com Pearisburg, VA
--> Too many people, too few sheep <--
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:10:08 +0200
From: Joost Diepenmaat <joost@zeekat.nl>
Subject: Re: Generating fancy/pretty documents
Message-Id: <87prpso20v.fsf@zeekat.nl>
Bernie Cosell <bernie@fantasyfarm.com> writes:
> procedure is a bit klunky and fragile. Is there some way to produce
> "pretty" PDF or ODF document directly? I see there's a suite of modules
> PDF::API2 -- it looks pretty complicated....anyone used that? PDF::Create
> also seems complicated.
PDF::API2 is complicated because PDF is complicated. It's not *that*
complicated, though. It depends on what your source and output data
are like.
If your data is mostly text and some illustrations & tables, you may
want to use latex instead. Latex at least makes if almost trivial to
generate a nice looking pdf/postscript document from straightforward
source data (sort of like POD, only much, much more flexible and
extensible) and it has superb support for references, indexes,
table-of-contents etc, but if you need very complex layouts with lots
of illustations PDF::API2 may be easier to use.
> Am I just being naive about this? As I say, in the past I've used troff
> and HTML as an intermediate "layout" format and things like fonts, titles,
> indenting, tables, simple drawing (e.g., putting a box around some text)
> etc were all relatively easy. Is that kind of thing easy/reasonable to do
> with one of the "direct to PDF" packages? In looking at the organization
> and methods for the PDF modules, using HTMLDOC (<http://www.htmldoc.org/>)
> starts looking more and more attractive...:o) Thanks!
My experience with HTML -> PDF translators is that it's too easy to
generate some HTML that won't get translated correctly, and you can
usually forget about generating references to sections with page
numbers and things like that.
--
Joost Diepenmaat | blog: http://joost.zeekat.nl/ | work: http://zeekat.nl/
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 16:34:56 +0100
From: "John" <john1949@yahoo.com>
Subject: Net::SMTP and Postfix mai considered spam by googlemail
Message-Id: <g4o4ar$6t5$1@news.albasani.net>
Hi
I am looking at Net:SMTP and keyed in the following code as a test:
use Net::SMTP;
my $smtp=Net::SMTP->new
("www.example.com",Hello=>'www.example.com',TimeOut=>60,Debug=>1);
$smtp->mail("john\@example.com");
$smtp->recipient("one.two\@googlemail.com");
$smtp->auth('joe','soap');
$smtp->data;
$smtp->datasend("From: john\@example.com\n");
$smtp->datasend("To: one.two\@googlemail.com\n");
$smtp->datasend("Subject: This is a test\n");
$smtp->datasend("\n\n");
$smtp->datasend("and so to bed");
$smtp->dataend;
$smtp->quit;
print $smtp->domain; print "<br/>";
print $smtp->banner; print "<br/>";
replies:
www.example.com
www.example.com ESMTP Postfix
When I look at my goooglemail account it was entered into the spam box.
Any idea why this is happening?
Regards
John
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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 00:27:22 +1000
From: "Graham Feeley" <grahamjfeeley@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Perl Script to be automated
Message-Id: <486f84ce$0$30466$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>
Hi there perl programmers.
I have a script that scrapes web data which i invoke by the command prompt
window.
Basically it scrapes results from sports events on a daily basis.
It was written for me by a friend whom dabbles in Perl and he says he has no
idea how to automate it to cycle through events.
I am happy with this script , but it would be interesting to see what extra
code would be involved to automate the cycling through the events.
Is there anyone willing to do this Please ?????
Graham
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Date: 5 Jul 2008 14:36:22 GMT
From: jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring)
Subject: Re: Perl Script to be automated
Message-Id: <6d9f76F1h1gtU1@mid.uni-berlin.de>
Graham Feeley <grahamjfeeley@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> Hi there perl programmers.
> I have a script that scrapes web data which i invoke by the command prompt
> window.
> Basically it scrapes results from sports events on a daily basis.
> It was written for me by a friend whom dabbles in Perl and he says he has no
> idea how to automate it to cycle through events.
> I am happy with this script , but it would be interesting to see what extra
> code would be involved to automate the cycling through the events.
> Is there anyone willing to do this Please ?????
What are "events"? If you just want the scipt to be started at
regular intervals most systems probably have some service that
would do that. Under UNIX you would e.g. use cron for that.
Regards, Jens
--
\ Jens Thoms Toerring ___ jt@toerring.de
\__________________________ http://toerring.de
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:00:41 -0400
From: Sherman Pendley <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Subject: Re: Perl Script to be automated
Message-Id: <m1tzf4tlye.fsf@dot-app.org>
"Graham Feeley" <grahamjfeeley@optusnet.com.au> writes:
> Basically it scrapes results from sports events on a daily basis.
> It was written for me by a friend whom dabbles in Perl and he says he has no
> idea how to automate it to cycle through events.
> I am happy with this script , but it would be interesting to see what extra
> code would be involved to automate the cycling through the events.
Maybe I'm being dense, but I'm not sure what exactly you're asking.
What exactly do you mean when you say "cycle through events?" Do you
want to schedule your script to run periodically? Do you want it to
hit each of a list of web sites? Multiple pages on one site?
> Is there anyone willing to do this Please ?????
Again, I'm not entirely sure what you're asking here. Are you looking
for advice about how to write this, or for someone to write it for
you?
sherm--
--
My blog: http://shermspace.blogspot.com
Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net
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Date: 5 Jul 2008 15:34:38 GMT
From: greymaus <greymausg@mail.com>
Subject: Re: Perl Script to be automated
Message-Id: <slrng6v38r.4pf.greymausg@maus.org>
On 2008-07-05, Graham Feeley <grahamjfeeley@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> Hi there perl programmers.
> I have a script that scrapes web data which i invoke by the command prompt
> window.
> Basically it scrapes results from sports events on a daily basis.
> It was written for me by a friend whom dabbles in Perl and he says he has no
> idea how to automate it to cycle through events.
> I am happy with this script , but it would be interesting to see what extra
> code would be involved to automate the cycling through the events.
> Is there anyone willing to do this Please ?????
> Graham
>
>
cron will do the same thing every [enter time period], check the man
pages.
The incredible wget utility, actuated by a cron entry, will probably do
what you want. Again , read the man pages. I have it checking on music
files which appear on a website. Its amazing what an amount of utter crud
it downloads.
--
Greymaus
.
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