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Ascii characters in a loop (Mark Hobley)
Re: Perl free e-books <mwidrick@gmail.com>
Re: Perl free e-books <uri@stemsystems.com>
Re: Perl free e-books <john@castleamber.com>
Re: Perl free e-books <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Re: Perl free e-books <john@castleamber.com>
Re: Perl free e-books <RedGrittyBrick@SpamWeary.foo>
Re: Unix commands <cwilbur@chromatico.net>
Re: Unix commands <john@castleamber.com>
Re: Unix commands <damercer@comcast.net>
Re: Unix commands <damercer@comcast.net>
Re: Unix commands <tintin@invalid.invalid>
Re: Unix commands <john@castleamber.com>
Re: Unix commands <john@castleamber.com>
Re: Unix commands <cwilbur@chromatico.net>
Re: Unix commands <john@castleamber.com>
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Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:04:15 GMT
From: markhobley@hotpop.deletethisbit.com (Mark Hobley)
Subject: Ascii characters in a loop
Message-Id: <rm4o74-cqk.ln1@neptune.markhobley.yi.org>
Keywords: ascii,characters,code,loop,weird,strange,behaviour,iterator
The following loop works fine in Perl:
for ($l = 'a'; $l le 'y'; $l++) {
print "$l";
}
However, if I try to loop from a through to z, the loop does not work:
for ($l = 'a'; $l le 'z'; $l++) {
print "$l";
}
I know that a for each loop would work, but that is not what I want.
Regards,
Mark.
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Date: 13 Jan 2007 12:16:40 -0800
From: "solomonrex" <mwidrick@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Perl free e-books
Message-Id: <1168719398.843179.111670@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Shuo Shi wrote:
> "Uri Guttman" <uri@stemsystems.com> wrote in message
> news:x73b6fuz35.fsf@mail.sysarch.com...
> >>>>>> "SS" == Shuo Shi <moya0901@126.com> writes:
> >
> > SS> I am not sure whether your patience has been exhausted, I am
> > SS> amazed about it, I was trying to keep myself as a gentleman, all
> > SS> words of mine are nice. And I only tried to choose the HTML
> > SS> formate to edit my news message for one time! Since you and others
> > SS> suggested me to use PLAIN TEXT, then I accept it, am not sure
> > SS> whether you are consistently saying my message as HTML! It is NOT
> > SS> TRUE! I love most of people in this news group since most of them
> > SS> are nice. I believe you are also a nice person, I wanna keep the
> > SS> harmony here, so really don't know you are getting BAD TEMPER !!!
> > SS> So CALM DOWN! You have grown up!!!
> >
> > >> STOP TOP POSTING.
> >
> > is ignoring that being nice?
> >
> > >> THE BOOK I TOLD YOU IS FREE. it SAYS that on the page. the author has
> > >> MADE IT FREE FOR YEARS. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
> >
> > is ignoring that and saying it isn't free, being nice?
> >
> > is harping on needing pdf to print when you are told repeatedly that it
> > isn't needed being nice?
> >
> > you are the one not being nice since you ask for help and then don't
> > listen to the answers.
> >
> > i was calm when i wrote that and i am calm now. i was trying to get your
> > attention. but as usual you don't seem to want to listen. have you even
> > tried to understand what top posting is? do you have eyes and notice
> > that my comments are BELOW (yes, i am shouting but calmly) yours? and i
> > edited your post?
> >
> > uri
> >
> > --
> > Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com --------
> > http://www.stemsystems.com
> > --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and
> > Coding-
> > Search or Offer Perl Jobs ----------------------------
> > http://jobs.perl.org
>
>
> Excuse me, I didn't follow the meaning of STOP TOP POSTING! Just got it.
> Please calme down! I have got what I want thru your help. Why you said I
> didn't listen to the answers, I really did! Only quite understand your
> explaination! And I just repeatedly told that PDF would be perfect, if it is
> not but could be printed out, it is OK for me.
> So please try to understand the concern of asker from the asker point of
> view.
PDF beginner's book here. Just to be clear, unless you have experience
with regular expressions in Linux/Unix already, Perl isn't great to
start with (can you understand
s/\(^[0-9]*\).*/\1
?). If you have that experience, Perl is great to start with.
http://www.perl.org/books/beginning-perl/
And I don't understand the top-posting Nazis. This isn't a dinner
table, it's a street corner and Google owns it. Be a little clearer
than using specialized technical jargon like "top-posting" with an
international crowd. If you really are annoyed by format that much,
you should want to communicate your message more effectively.
People who need help aren't likely to be fluent in message board
language and etiquette, are they?
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Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:37:53 -0500
From: Uri Guttman <uri@stemsystems.com>
Subject: Re: Perl free e-books
Message-Id: <x7tzyuu0gu.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
>>>>> "s" == solomonrex <mwidrick@gmail.com> writes:
s> PDF beginner's book here. Just to be clear, unless you have experience
s> with regular expressions in Linux/Unix already, Perl isn't great to
s> start with (can you understand
s> s/\(^[0-9]*\).*/\1
s> ?). If you have that experience, Perl is great to start with.
s> http://www.perl.org/books/beginning-perl/
that has been mentioned several times in this thread.
s> And I don't understand the top-posting Nazis. This isn't a dinner
s> table, it's a street corner and Google owns it. Be a little clearer
s> than using specialized technical jargon like "top-posting" with an
s> international crowd. If you really are annoyed by format that much,
s> you should want to communicate your message more effectively.
we referred him to the posting guidelines which explains it all clearly.
uri
--
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Date: 13 Jan 2007 20:46:16 GMT
From: John Bokma <john@castleamber.com>
Subject: Re: Perl free e-books
Message-Id: <Xns98B7964196B51castleamber@130.133.1.4>
"solomonrex" <mwidrick@gmail.com> wrote:
> And I don't understand the top-posting Nazis.
Good old Godwin
> This isn't a dinner
> table, it's a street corner and Google owns it.
Nice mistake:
http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html
> Be a little clearer
> than using specialized technical jargon like "top-posting" with an
> international crowd.
This is a technical newsgroup now isn't it? A "programmer" who is not able
to look up top posting in the Wikipedia or Google for example shouldn't be
programming IMO.
> People who need help aren't likely to be fluent in message board
> language and etiquette, are they?
Then they should start with learning that first instead of learning Perl.
If one visits a different country one should learn at least the basic
customs of that country.
--
John Experienced Perl programmer: http://castleamber.com/
Perl help, tutorials, and examples: http://johnbokma.com/perl/
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Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:04:16 GMT
From: "Jürgen Exner" <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Perl free e-books
Message-Id: <kPbqh.2387$wq.2223@trndny07>
solomonrex wrote:
> table, it's a street corner and Google owns it. Be a little clearer
Where did you get that idea? Usenet has nothing to do with Google and it
predates Google by roughly 2 decades.
> than using specialized technical jargon like "top-posting" with an
> international crowd.
Top posting is a very common and well understood term for 2 decades.
> People who need help aren't likely to be fluent in message board
> language and etiquette, are they?
That's why common sense as well as established nettiquette strongly suggests
that you just read for 2 or 3 weeks before actively participating. Or do you
also go to the opera with the expectation that social rules and behavioural
standards would be the same as in your familiar hard rock cafe?
jue
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Date: 13 Jan 2007 21:13:02 GMT
From: John Bokma <john@castleamber.com>
Subject: Re: Perl free e-books
Message-Id: <Xns98B79ACB02236castleamber@130.133.1.4>
"Jürgen Exner" <jurgenex@hotmail.com> wrote:
> participating. Or do you also go to the opera with the expectation
> that social rules and behavioural standards would be the same as in
> your familiar hard rock cafe?
What!? We can't throw beer around [1] at the opera?
My experience with one hard rock cafe is that the crowd there would
probably cause no problem at all at the opera. The local disco visitors on
the other had...
--
John Experienced Perl programmer: http://castleamber.com/
Perl help, tutorials, and examples: http://johnbokma.com/perl/
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Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:34:53 +0000
From: RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@SpamWeary.foo>
Subject: Re: Perl free e-books
Message-Id: <zP6dncbSaJHgzTTYnZ2dnUVZ8sSrnZ2d@bt.com>
solomonrex wrote:
> This isn't a dinner table, it's a street corner and Google owns it.
No. Newsgroups existed healthily for more than two decades before Google
Groups came into being.
Newsgroups started with Usenet sometime around 1979. Google was founded
19 years later in 1998.
Google Groups was started in 2000 with the acquisition of the DejaNews
archive - a web accessible indexed archive of newsgroup postings.
If you check the headers you'll also see that many people do not today
use Google to read and write to this newsgroup, they use one of many
NNTP clients.
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Date: 13 Jan 2007 14:23:47 -0500
From: Charlton Wilbur <cwilbur@chromatico.net>
Subject: Re: Unix commands
Message-Id: <87bql2buik.fsf@mithril.chromatico.net>
>>>>> "ADF" == Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com> writes:
ADF> Listen sonny, I've probably worked at far more companies than
ADF> you, many who use various platforms. I was talking about
ADF> writing tools that are used in house and not necessarily
ADF> products sold to end users, though there is wisdom in writing
ADF> portable code nevertheless. I really have a hard time
ADF> understanding your viewpoint. You are actually arguing that
ADF> writing non-portable code that is inefficient is a good
ADF> thing! I'm sure you'll go far with that attitude.
You *really* ought to do enough research to find out who you're
lecturing. I don't think you intend this tirade to come across as
comedy.
Charlton
--
Charlton Wilbur
cwilbur@chromatico.net
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Date: 13 Jan 2007 19:38:37 GMT
From: John Bokma <john@castleamber.com>
Subject: Re: Unix commands
Message-Id: <Xns98B78AC905EA7castleamber@130.133.1.4>
Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com> wrote:
> Abigail wrote:
[..]
>> And even ten, saying "if you do it 10,000 times, it's slow, so you
>> should never use it" is sillyness.
> Probably is - however I didn't say that. So if you wish to argue your
> own made up things I guess I can't stop you. But the only thing silly
> here is your strawman.
>> = John Bokma wrote:
> = Andrew DeFaria
>> Depends on what you're doing of course. Why would I copy a program
>> that does already its work perfectly and reinvent the wheel? Increase
>> development time, and make many mistakes while doing so?
>Because 1) it's inefficient in that you are forking and exec'ing a
>process to do it and 2) portability - there's no guarantee that the >
>next platform you port this to has the same commands. For example, you
> use "ls" above. But there is no "ls" under Windows. If instead you use
> a more Perl like way your Perl script will immediately port without
> and issue.
Maybe my grammar is bad, but you either missed "Depends on what you're
doing of course", in which case your 1) and 2) are just more or less
repeating what I stated and is a bit of pointless or you just falled of
your horse...
> No my argument is that you shouldn't do 10,000 fork/execs to grep to
> do these regex matches - you should do them internally as that's more
> efficient.
Again, depends on what you're doing and trying to achieve.
>> No. I don't do Windows and I've never done Windows. And I don't apply
>> for jobs that involve doing anything on Windows.
> And as I can see you are extremely open minded! Bravo!
Nothing wrong with specialism. Abigail probably has also never
programmed in C#, and will never do so, nor will apply for jobs. That's
a choice and has nothing to do with being open minded or not.
> Listen sonny, I've probably worked at far more companies than you,
Hurray, the "my dick is bigger then yours so I have pleased more
females" argument.
> the real world and while ls, cat, echo, etc. can be installed on a
> Windows box often it isn't.
OMG!!!11111eleven you mean like, eh, perl.exe for example?
> we were talking about Perl, remember?) seems to me to be stupid, short
> sighted, lazy, etc.
"A truly great computer programmer is lazy, impatient and full of
hubris, says Larry Wall." <http://www.paulagordon.com/shows/wall/>
> If I'm asked to write a Perl script by the client then assuming
> there'll be a Perl interpreter is not a silly assumption.
Two very important questions are: which version of Perl, and what
modules are installed. Even your script and modules have to be
installed.
How is that different from installing an additional tool?
--
John Experienced Perl programmer: http://castleamber.com/
Perl help, tutorials, and examples: http://johnbokma.com/perl/
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Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:47:25 -0600
From: "Dan Mercer" <damercer@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Unix commands
Message-Id: <2OadnaIzNaLSqjTYnZ2dnUVZ_ragnZ2d@comcast.com>
"Andrew DeFaria" <Andrew@DeFaria.com> wrote in message
news:X5CdnYE4KLbIpDXYnZ2dnUVZ_rHinZ2d@comcast.com...
John Bokma wrote:
Some folks treat Perl like a glorified korn shell, and do
ghastly things like this:
my @data = `cat somefile.txt`;
or
my @files = `ls /some/directory`;
Perl has built-in functions for a lot of stuff you
might be tempted to use shell commands for. It's
generally preferable to use Perl when you write Perl programs.
Depends on what you're doing of course. Why would I copy
a program that does already its work perfectly and reinvent
the wheel? Increase development time, and make many mistakes
while doing so?
Well, for one thing, "my @files = `ls /some/directory`" can give you
bad data that could lead your program into executing a path you never
anticipated (think, filename with embedded newline). Also, when
your code is peer reviewed, your peers will think you are a fargin' idiot.
Dan Mercer
Because 1) it's inefficient in that you are forking and exec'ing a process to do it and 2) portability - there's no guarantee that
the next platform you port this to has the same commands. For example, you use "ls" above. But there is no "ls" under Windows. If
instead you use a more Perl like way your Perl script will immediately port without and issue.
--
Andrew DeFaria
Why do the Alphabet song and Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star have the same tune?
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Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:50:51 -0600
From: "Dan Mercer" <damercer@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Unix commands
Message-Id: <weqdnY5E7v-ApTTYnZ2dnUVZ_sGqnZ2d@comcast.com>
"John Bokma" <john@castleamber.com> wrote in message news:Xns98B777C654642castleamber@130.133.1.4...
: Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com> wrote:
:
: > Taking the poor grammar out of the picture
:
: As soon as people talk about grammer usage (or abuse) in a Usenet post
: they have little to say about the issue at hand, which doesn't amaze me
: in your case.
:
: > Similarly I think it's better to write script in anticipation that
: > they may be asked to run on systems I've never thought that they
: > would.
:
: If its not in the requirements and not likely, why bother? I try to find
: the best possible solution for my customers instead of making up a set
: of silly rigid rules.
:
: [ Cygwin ]
: > server, grep, awk, diff and quite literally thousands of others, I
: > cannot guarantee that the client will go for it. Indeed many do not.
:
: So they have no problem with you installing Perl, but they do have a
: problem when you install (from your example) ls.
Where I work, Perl is on the allowed list of utiliies and they foolishly
forgot to limit it by platform. So, while I don't have Cygwin or UWIN or
MKS, I do have grep and ls and many other Unix utilities - rolled in
Perl.
Dan Mercer
:
: I guess you write all your modules yourself as well then? I mean, they
: might have a problem or two with installing some CPAN modules as well.
:
: >> Not all Perl scripts are used on different platforms.
: > Yes and many of them can't because they use things like those
: > described above.
:
: And for most that's a non-issue. Rigid development rules are for
: programmers with little skills. Skilled programmers are able to see the
: pros and cons of several possible solutions and select one.
:
: > My Perl scripts can and are used on various platforms.
:
: So can and are mine, most out of the box. On the other hand I have no
: problem at all with using external tools. It all depends on the
: requirements of my customers.
:
: >> Most I write aren't. But like I said, it's a non-issue if the
: >> external program is ported to the target platform(s) as well.
: > And if the client will allow you to install such tools (and upkeep,
: > patch, update, etc.). This is not always the case in the real world.
:
: Then their problem already starts with using Perl on Windows (for
: example). And you using CPAN in general.
:
:
: > Additionally it adds to the requirements and prerequisites for the
: > usage of your tool - not a good thing.
:
: But you reinvent the tool. Now if there is anything silly in software
: development it's refusing to use a library / external tool because of a
: "you never should" rule.
:
: Programming is about flexibility.
:
: > Finally often the external tool
: > does a lot more stuff than what you need. They call this wasteful.
:
: Most external tools have switches that enable / disable features. Code
: that doesn't get executed doesn't matter. And if there is a slight
: overhead because the tool does something extra, this overhead might be
: insignificant compared to rolling out your own code in Perl.
:
: It all depends on circumstances, not on some silly rule you prefer to
: live by.
:
: > Again this is good to know. I always like knowing who I would *not*
: > recommend for a job. Welcome to the list.
:
: I am glad to be on it, especially based on your other drivel I am
: sharing the honor with Abigail and probably a lot of other programmers
: in this group.
:
: >> I rather do that then waste his/her valuable time and money on making
: >> a wget clone if wget does /exactly/ what is required.
: > Exactly is a debatable term here.
:
: A debat which you avoid by making up a brain dead rule.
:
: > Think about how hard perl -MCPAN
:
: What!? Installing external libraries on Perl? That *is* allowed and a
: single executable not?
:
: --
: John Experienced Perl programmer: http://castleamber.com/
:
: Perl help, tutorials, and examples: http://johnbokma.com/perl/
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:15:02 +1300
From: "Tintin" <tintin@invalid.invalid>
Subject: Re: Unix commands
Message-Id: <45a92ff4$0$13114$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>
"Abigail" <abigail@abigail.be> wrote in message
news:slrneqg79p.ge.abigail@alexandra.abigail.be...
> ?? my @files = `ls /some/directory`;
>
> That surely beats:
>
> opendir my $dh => '/some/directory' or die "opendir: $!";
> my @files = grep {!/^\./} readdir $dh;
> closedir $dh;
>
> which takes three times as many lines.
In that instance, the cat is shorter, but why use the above, when you can do
my @files = </some/directory/*>;
--
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Date: 13 Jan 2007 20:13:11 GMT
From: John Bokma <john@castleamber.com>
Subject: Re: Unix commands
Message-Id: <Xns98B790A5621CFcastleamber@130.133.1.4>
Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com> wrote:
> Which rigid rule are you referring to since I made no such claim. I
> gave reasons why I thought it was better to do X than Y not that one
> had to do X instead of Y. Can you understand that logical difference?
Maybe reread "<X5CdnYE4KLbIpDXYnZ2dnUVZ_rHinZ2d@comcast.com>" were I
clearly wrote: "Depends on what you're doing of course."
Now who has a problem with interpretoring [1] things?
[1] <apadnbh91OFHpTTYnZ2dnUVZ_oannZ2d@comcast.com>
--
John Experienced Perl programmer: http://castleamber.com/
Perl help, tutorials, and examples: http://johnbokma.com/perl/
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Date: 13 Jan 2007 20:39:44 GMT
From: John Bokma <john@castleamber.com>
Subject: Re: Unix commands
Message-Id: <Xns98B79525AECDCcastleamber@130.133.1.4>
Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com> wrote:
> John Bokma wrote:
>> Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Which rigid rule are you referring to since I made no such claim. I
>>> gave reasons why I thought it was better to do X than Y not that one
>>> had to do X instead of Y. Can you understand that logical difference?
>> Maybe reread "<X5CdnYE4KLbIpDXYnZ2dnUVZ_rHinZ2d@comcast.com>"
> That's an email address. Tell me, how do I read an email address?
Usenet newbie? It's a message id. View all headers in Thunderbird and all
becomes clear (I hope).
You can look up Usenet posts that way, for example by copying the ID (part
between < and >) after: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm= in your
address bar if the message has been archived in Google Groups.
--
John Experienced Perl programmer: http://castleamber.com/
Perl help, tutorials, and examples: http://johnbokma.com/perl/
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Date: 13 Jan 2007 16:20:43 -0500
From: Charlton Wilbur <cwilbur@chromatico.net>
Subject: Re: Unix commands
Message-Id: <877ivqbp3o.fsf@mithril.chromatico.net>
>>>>> "ADF" == Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com> writes:
ADF> Charlton Wilbur wrote:
>> You *really* ought to do enough research to find out who you're
>> lecturing. I don't think you intend this tirade to come across
>> as comedy.
ADF> What an argument to authority?!? Apparently you are also in
ADF> the "let's write non-portable and inefficient code" camp.
No, I just think that lecturing Abigail on accomplishments,
employability, and competence makes you look like a jackass. If
that's your goal, by all means carry on.
Charlton
--
Charlton Wilbur
cwilbur@chromatico.net
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Date: 13 Jan 2007 21:45:28 GMT
From: John Bokma <john@castleamber.com>
Subject: Re: Unix commands
Message-Id: <Xns98B7A04AF1C57castleamber@130.133.1.4>
Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com> wrote:
> What an argument to authority?!? Apparently you are also in the "let's
> write non-portable and inefficient code" camp.
.
First of all, calling an external program doesn't mean it's non-portable.
Second of all, calling an external program doesn't mean it's inefficient
(inefficient in what? excution time, memory usage, development time?)
Programming is about using the right tool(s). Using an external program
can be the right tool or the wrong tool.
To me, and probably others as well, you make it sound like it's not a
right tool. And between the lines I read "never a right tool". Maybe my
bad, but your heated replies convince me more and more that I am correct
on this.
And no, you can't prove your point (whatever it is) by showing examples of
bad external tool usage and generalize this into: fork overhead and non-
portability. Depending on circumstances those arguments might be
irrelevant.
--
John Experienced Perl programmer: http://castleamber.com/
Perl help, tutorials, and examples: http://johnbokma.com/perl/
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#to almanac@ruby.oce.orst.edu with the command "send perl-users x.y",
#where x is the volume number and y is the issue number.
#For other requests pertaining to the digest, send mail to
#perl-users-request@ruby.oce.orst.edu. Do not waste your time or mine
#sending perl questions to the -request address, I don't have time to
#answer them even if I did know the answer.
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