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Perl-Users Digest Sat, 13 Jan 2007 Volume: 11 Number: 21
Today's topics:
Re: Array Question <tadmc@augustmail.com>
Re: Graph in Perl <nobull67@gmail.com>
Re: Graph in Perl <zentara@highstream.net>
Re: How to map from Unix to Windows <nobull67@gmail.com>
Re: How to map from Unix to Windows (Mark Hobley)
Re: Perl free e-books <uri@stemsystems.com>
Re: Perl free e-books <moya0901@126.com>
Re: Perl free e-books <tadmc@augustmail.com>
Re: Perl free e-books <john@castleamber.com>
Re: Skip non english character values aaron80v@yahoo.com.au
Re: Skip non english character values <mritty@gmail.com>
Re: Skip non english character values <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Re: Skip non english character values aaron80v@yahoo.com.au
Re: Skip non english character values <rvtol+news@isolution.nl>
Re: Unix commands <abigail@abigail.be>
Re: Unix commands <john@castleamber.com>
Re: WWW:Mechanize single quotes around URL causes probl <randall.belk@knology.net>
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Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 07:48:10 -0600
From: Tad McClellan <tadmc@augustmail.com>
Subject: Re: Array Question
Message-Id: <slrneqhooq.puj.tadmc@tadmc30.august.net>
amerar@iwc.net <amerar@iwc.net> wrote:
> following error:
It is a warning message, not an error message.
> Argument "" isn't numeric in printf at ./saba.pl line 151, <BFILE> line
^^
^^
Looks like you have an empty string somewhere.
> Here is line 151:
>
> printf FAN "@work_format\n",@d_ar;
>
> Now, this is where it get crazy. @work_format is a FORMAT that looks
> like this:
>
> my @work_format=qw/%s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s
> %s %s %s %.3f %.3f %.3f %.3f
> %.3f %.3f %.3f %.3f %.3f %.3f %.3f %.3f %.3f %.3f %.3f %.3f %.3f %.3f
[ snip a whole bunch more ]
> My question is, how the hell do I know which element is throwing the
> error??
By dumping the array.
> I've dumped the array,
Good idea.
> which looks like this:
>
> 158: +000000000000000.000
> 159: +000000000000010.000
> 160: +000000000000000.000
> 161: +000000000002200.000
> 162: +000000000000000.000
> 163:
> 164: +000000000005000.000
> 165:
> 166: +000000000000000.000
>
> Those are elements of the array. It works with all other records in
> the file except for this one. How do I know which format is throwing
> the error????
Then ones that correspond to the empty strings.
> Can anyone help?
With what?
You already know how to tell which format is causing the warning...
> I've been at this for 4 days now.....
... so by now you should have moved on to answering the next question:
Why does this record contain empty strings?
We cannot help you with that because we don't know how @d_ar
is being populated.
--
Tad McClellan SGML consulting
tadmc@augustmail.com Perl programming
Fort Worth, Texas
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Date: 13 Jan 2007 01:13:12 -0800
From: "Brian McCauley" <nobull67@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Graph in Perl
Message-Id: <1168679589.843471.156690@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
jupiter wrote:
>
> I am a beginner. s it possible to draw graph in perl in real time ?
Define "in real time"?
If you want dynamic updates to a graph as new data comes in then a lot
will depend on the mechanism by which the graph is being displayed.
There are many graphing modules on CPAN but these are a batch process,
taking a set of data and producing an graphical image file (PNG or
whatever). Of course this process can fairly fast so depending on what
you mean by "in real time" it may be fast enough.
For example, if the graph is viewed in a web page, you could have a CGI
script on a web server that generates a PNG on the fly every time a
given URL is requested. Simply refeshing the browser view would give
the impression that the graph was dynamically updating but in fact it's
being rebuilt from scratch each time.
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Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:43:00 GMT
From: zentara <zentara@highstream.net>
Subject: Re: Graph in Perl
Message-Id: <7dnhq25obhjrqpnukuooej2au349lja252@4ax.com>
On 12 Jan 2007 20:44:46 -0800, "jupiter" <anil.jupiter9@gmail.com>
wrote:
>Hi
>
>I am a beginner. s it possible to draw graph in perl in real time ?
>
>
>@nil
For a well documented solution, see:
http://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool/index.en.html
There are as many solutions as there are languages.
For a simple Perl/Tk example, see:
http://perlmonks.org?node_id=577181
zentara
--
I'm not really a human, but I play one on earth.
http://zentara.net/japh.html
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Date: 13 Jan 2007 01:21:21 -0800
From: "Brian McCauley" <nobull67@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: How to map from Unix to Windows
Message-Id: <1168680081.735336.75140@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Tuhin wrote:
> Hello every one,
>
> Is it possible to map windows from unix? What I am trying to do:
Define what you mean by "map".
> 1. First i will connect Unix(OS:Sun Solaries) from my PC (OS:Windows
> XP)
Define "I will connect". Telnet / ssh? FTP? HTTP? SMB?
> 2. Write a script in Perl (on Unix) to open the Windows Explorer on my
> PC.
A program running on one computer cannot, in general, cause an
arbitrary program to run on another (this is a good thing). You need
some sort of program running on the target to authenticate and honour
the request.
> Any help/suggestion/code will be appreciated.
I suggest that before you hit "send" on a Usenet post you read what you
written pretending you did not already know what you were trying to
say. It is impossible to figure out what your are asking.
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Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:04:16 GMT
From: markhobley@hotpop.deletethisbit.com (Mark Hobley)
Subject: Re: How to map from Unix to Windows
Message-Id: <b7mm74-3ej.ln1@neptune.markhobley.yi.org>
Tuhin <minhaztuhin@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Is it possible to map windows from unix?
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Do you mean make Unix network shares
visible to Windows?
Samba will do this for you.
http://markhobley.yi.org/linux/samba/index.html
Regards,
Mark.
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Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 03:10:06 -0500
From: Uri Guttman <uri@stemsystems.com>
Subject: Re: Perl free e-books
Message-Id: <x73b6fuz35.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
>>>>> "SS" == Shuo Shi <moya0901@126.com> writes:
SS> I am not sure whether your patience has been exhausted, I am
SS> amazed about it, I was trying to keep myself as a gentleman, all
SS> words of mine are nice. And I only tried to choose the HTML
SS> formate to edit my news message for one time! Since you and others
SS> suggested me to use PLAIN TEXT, then I accept it, am not sure
SS> whether you are consistently saying my message as HTML! It is NOT
SS> TRUE! I love most of people in this news group since most of them
SS> are nice. I believe you are also a nice person, I wanna keep the
SS> harmony here, so really don't know you are getting BAD TEMPER !!!
SS> So CALM DOWN! You have grown up!!!
>> STOP TOP POSTING.
is ignoring that being nice?
>> THE BOOK I TOLD YOU IS FREE. it SAYS that on the page. the author has
>> MADE IT FREE FOR YEARS. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
is ignoring that and saying it isn't free, being nice?
is harping on needing pdf to print when you are told repeatedly that it
isn't needed being nice?
you are the one not being nice since you ask for help and then don't
listen to the answers.
i was calm when i wrote that and i am calm now. i was trying to get your
attention. but as usual you don't seem to want to listen. have you even
tried to understand what top posting is? do you have eyes and notice
that my comments are BELOW (yes, i am shouting but calmly) yours? and i
edited your post?
uri
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Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:00:46 +0800
From: "Shuo Shi" <moya0901@126.com>
Subject: Re: Perl free e-books
Message-Id: <eoakeh$1ea$1@az33news01.freescale.net>
"Uri Guttman" <uri@stemsystems.com> wrote in message
news:x73b6fuz35.fsf@mail.sysarch.com...
>>>>>> "SS" == Shuo Shi <moya0901@126.com> writes:
>
> SS> I am not sure whether your patience has been exhausted, I am
> SS> amazed about it, I was trying to keep myself as a gentleman, all
> SS> words of mine are nice. And I only tried to choose the HTML
> SS> formate to edit my news message for one time! Since you and others
> SS> suggested me to use PLAIN TEXT, then I accept it, am not sure
> SS> whether you are consistently saying my message as HTML! It is NOT
> SS> TRUE! I love most of people in this news group since most of them
> SS> are nice. I believe you are also a nice person, I wanna keep the
> SS> harmony here, so really don't know you are getting BAD TEMPER !!!
> SS> So CALM DOWN! You have grown up!!!
>
> >> STOP TOP POSTING.
>
> is ignoring that being nice?
>
> >> THE BOOK I TOLD YOU IS FREE. it SAYS that on the page. the author has
> >> MADE IT FREE FOR YEARS. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
>
> is ignoring that and saying it isn't free, being nice?
>
> is harping on needing pdf to print when you are told repeatedly that it
> isn't needed being nice?
>
> you are the one not being nice since you ask for help and then don't
> listen to the answers.
>
> i was calm when i wrote that and i am calm now. i was trying to get your
> attention. but as usual you don't seem to want to listen. have you even
> tried to understand what top posting is? do you have eyes and notice
> that my comments are BELOW (yes, i am shouting but calmly) yours? and i
> edited your post?
>
> uri
>
> --
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> http://www.stemsystems.com
> --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and
> Coding-
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> http://jobs.perl.org
Excuse me, I didn't follow the meaning of STOP TOP POSTING! Just got it.
Please calme down! I have got what I want thru your help. Why you said I
didn't listen to the answers, I really did! Only quite understand your
explaination! And I just repeatedly told that PDF would be perfect, if it is
not but could be printed out, it is OK for me.
So please try to understand the concern of asker from the asker point of
view.
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Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 07:29:03 -0600
From: Tad McClellan <tadmc@augustmail.com>
Subject: Re: Perl free e-books
Message-Id: <slrneqhnkv.puj.tadmc@tadmc30.august.net>
[ bone-headed top-posting repaired ]
Shuo Shi <moya0901@126.com> wrote:
> "Uri Guttman" <uri@stemsystems.com> wrote in message
> news:x7fyagw7m7.fsf@mail.sysarch.com...
>>>>>>> "SS" == Shuo Shi <moya0901@126.com> writes:
>>
>> SS> I just wanna make the format of my message as "Times New Roman", not
>> the
>> SS> default format of Plain Text file.
>>
>> STOP TOP POSTING.
> I am not sure whether your patience has been exhausted, I am amazed about
> it,
top-posting on Usenet is like farting at the dinner table.
When you farted at our dinner table, we asked you to not do that.
Then you farted at the dinner table again, and were asked again
to not do that.
Then you farted at the dinner table a half-dozen more times!
Patience is very likely to wear out once everybody's eyes are watering.
> I was trying to keep myself as a gentleman,
^^^^^^
Then you have failed.
A gentleman respects the wishes of others.
You have shown a remarkable persistence in ignoring the wishes of others.
> all words of mine are nice.
Our primary objections are about your *actions* rather than your words.
Talking nicely while farting at the dinner table does not make
farting at the dinner table an acceptable action.
> I wanna keep the harmony here,
Then do not fart at the dinner table.
This is not a hard concept to grasp.
> so really
> don't know you are getting BAD TEMPER !!!
Because you continue to fart at the dinner table after being asked
more than once to not fart at the dinner table.
--
Tad McClellan SGML consulting
tadmc@augustmail.com Perl programming
Fort Worth, Texas
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Date: 13 Jan 2007 17:48:47 GMT
From: John Bokma <john@castleamber.com>
Subject: Re: Perl free e-books
Message-Id: <Xns98B7782A1197Ccastleamber@130.133.1.4>
Tad McClellan <tadmc@augustmail.com> wrote:
> top-posting on Usenet is like farting at the dinner table.
>
> When you farted at our dinner table, we asked you to not do that.
The farting noise drowned out what we said I guess :-D.
--
John Experienced Perl programmer: http://castleamber.com/
Perl help, tutorials, and examples: http://johnbokma.com/perl/
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Date: 13 Jan 2007 00:48:40 -0800
From: aaron80v@yahoo.com.au
Subject: Re: Skip non english character values
Message-Id: <1168678120.269175.303460@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com>
Thanks Paul.
I will try to compliant to guide as much as possible. Perhaps it would
be best to explain what I am trying to accomplish.
1. Multiple Excel files with different fields which I need to clean and
keep them delimited (^) before importing to a database.
2. Any fields can have \n and can have it more than once.
3. The job is to remove all \n except the actual \n at the end of the
last field.
4. If encounter other non English characters such as Jap, Korean,
Chinese, report the line where they occur before replacing them with
phrases such as "Japanese Characters", "Korean Characters", "Chinese
Characters" etc.
Eg input file:
AAA^ BBB^ CCC^ DDDaa
DDDbb
DDDcc
DDDdd DDDee
DDDff
DDDgg^EEE^FFF^??????^GGG^HHH
Eg output file: (one line without \n except the one after HHH)
AAA^ BBB^ CCC^ DDDaa DDDbb DDDcc DDDdd DDDee DDDff
DDDgg^EEE^FFF^Chinese Characters^GGG^HHH
Here is the code which isn't sufficient for what I am trying to
accomplish. I will worry about the language part later. Right now, I
have problem differentiating the last \n from any \n that occur before
it.
use strict;
use warnings;
my $stuff = "d:\\PerlWork\\myfile.txt";
open STUFF, $stuff or die "Cannot open file $stuff for read :$!";
my $out = "d:\\PerlWork\\FileMani.txt";
open OUT, ">$out" or die "Cannot open file $out for write :$!";
while (<STUFF>) {
# skip reading the blank lines
next if /^(\s)*$/;
# tokenize it with the delimited ^ included.
my @str1 = split(/(\^)/);
# remove any \n that may appear anywhere
foreach my $name (@str1) {
chomp($name);
print OUT $name;
}
}
close (STUFF);
close (OUT);
Aaron
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Date: 13 Jan 2007 05:38:33 -0800
From: "Paul Lalli" <mritty@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Skip non english character values
Message-Id: <1168695512.767830.162680@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
aaron...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
> Thanks Paul.
>
> I will try to compliant to guide as much as possible.
You've already failed that, as you've already *again* refused to quote
the post you're replying to. I wish you the best of luck with your
program. Good bye.
Paul Lalli
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Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:59:08 GMT
From: "Jürgen Exner" <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Skip non english character values
Message-Id: <0t6qh.4064$Ch1.606@trndny04>
aaron80v@yahoo.com.au wrote:
> 4. If encounter other non English characters such as Jap, Korean,
> Chinese, report the line where they occur before replacing them with
> phrases such as "Japanese Characters", "Korean Characters", "Chinese
> Characters" etc.
That is impossible. Simpler example that I can actually type:
It is like asking if the character "ö" is a German or a Swedish character.
The answer is yes --- to both of the them.
jue
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Date: 13 Jan 2007 07:32:20 -0800
From: aaron80v@yahoo.com.au
Subject: Re: Skip non english character values
Message-Id: <1168702335.015513.220360@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Thanks Paul again.
So Jue, thanks for pointing it out. I guess there is just no way to
figure the language out.
Aaron.
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Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:53:28 +0100
From: "Dr.Ruud" <rvtol+news@isolution.nl>
Subject: Re: Skip non english character values
Message-Id: <eob6k6.k0.1@news.isolution.nl>
Jürgen Exner schreef:
> aaron80v@yahoo.com.au wrote:
>> 4. If encounter other non English characters such as Jap, Korean,
>> Chinese, report the line where they occur before replacing them with
>> phrases such as "Japanese Characters", "Korean Characters", "Chinese
>> Characters" etc.
>
> That is impossible. Simpler example that I can actually type:
> It is like asking if the character "ö" is a German or a Swedish
> character. The answer is yes --- to both of the them.
English even: coöperation, noöne (with a diaeresis, not an umlaut)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaeresis_%28diacritic%29
--
Affijn, Ruud
"Gewoon is een tijger."
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Date: 13 Jan 2007 10:33:02 GMT
From: Abigail <abigail@abigail.be>
Subject: Re: Unix commands
Message-Id: <slrneqhdap.ge.abigail@alexandra.abigail.be>
Andrew DeFaria (Andrew@DeFaria.com) wrote on MMMMDCCCLXXXIII September
MCMXCIII in <URL:news:X5CdnYE4KLbIpDXYnZ2dnUVZ_rHinZ2d@comcast.com>:
__
__ John Bokma wrote:
__
__ > Depends on what you're doing of course. Why would I copy a program
__ > that does already its work perfectly and reinvent the wheel? Increase
__ > development time, and make many mistakes while doing so?
__
__ Because 1) it's inefficient in that you are forking and exec'ing a
__ process to do it
If I'm willing to pay the price of running anything in Perl, do you
really thing I can be bothered about the overhead of forking? If the
time constraints where that critical, the error would have been writing
the program in Perl, not the forking. Then it should have been written
in C instead.
__ process to do it and 2) portability - there's no guarantee that the next
__ platform you port this to has the same commands. For example, you use
I've been programming Perl for over 12 years. I've yet to write a
program that had to be ported to Windows. I did once had to port a long
shell/awk/SQL script (over 1000 lines) from Solaris to Windows. After
installing a Unix toolkit the script only required a single change: the
location of the temp directory. I've found more porting issues between
different versions of Perl (not to mention different versions of CPAN
modules) than between different UNIX toolkits (just keep yourself away
from all the fancy GNU/Linux features if you have the need to run it on
a real UNIX). After all, there's POSIX while there isn't a Perl standard.
__ "ls" above. But there is no "ls" under Windows. If instead you use a
__ more Perl like way your Perl script will immediately port without and issue.
Really? Last time I looked Windows didn't come with perl either.
Abigail
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()=<>;$!=$=;($:,$,,$;,$")=$!=~/.(.)..(.)(.)..(.)/;
$;++;$*++;$;++;$*++;$;++;`$:$,$;$" $. >&$*`;
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Date: 13 Jan 2007 17:46:29 GMT
From: John Bokma <john@castleamber.com>
Subject: Re: Unix commands
Message-Id: <Xns98B777C654642castleamber@130.133.1.4>
Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com> wrote:
> Taking the poor grammar out of the picture
As soon as people talk about grammer usage (or abuse) in a Usenet post
they have little to say about the issue at hand, which doesn't amaze me
in your case.
> Similarly I think it's better to write script in anticipation that
> they may be asked to run on systems I've never thought that they
> would.
If its not in the requirements and not likely, why bother? I try to find
the best possible solution for my customers instead of making up a set
of silly rigid rules.
[ Cygwin ]
> server, grep, awk, diff and quite literally thousands of others, I
> cannot guarantee that the client will go for it. Indeed many do not.
So they have no problem with you installing Perl, but they do have a
problem when you install (from your example) ls.
I guess you write all your modules yourself as well then? I mean, they
might have a problem or two with installing some CPAN modules as well.
>> Not all Perl scripts are used on different platforms.
> Yes and many of them can't because they use things like those
> described above.
And for most that's a non-issue. Rigid development rules are for
programmers with little skills. Skilled programmers are able to see the
pros and cons of several possible solutions and select one.
> My Perl scripts can and are used on various platforms.
So can and are mine, most out of the box. On the other hand I have no
problem at all with using external tools. It all depends on the
requirements of my customers.
>> Most I write aren't. But like I said, it's a non-issue if the
>> external program is ported to the target platform(s) as well.
> And if the client will allow you to install such tools (and upkeep,
> patch, update, etc.). This is not always the case in the real world.
Then their problem already starts with using Perl on Windows (for
example). And you using CPAN in general.
> Additionally it adds to the requirements and prerequisites for the
> usage of your tool - not a good thing.
But you reinvent the tool. Now if there is anything silly in software
development it's refusing to use a library / external tool because of a
"you never should" rule.
Programming is about flexibility.
> Finally often the external tool
> does a lot more stuff than what you need. They call this wasteful.
Most external tools have switches that enable / disable features. Code
that doesn't get executed doesn't matter. And if there is a slight
overhead because the tool does something extra, this overhead might be
insignificant compared to rolling out your own code in Perl.
It all depends on circumstances, not on some silly rule you prefer to
live by.
> Again this is good to know. I always like knowing who I would *not*
> recommend for a job. Welcome to the list.
I am glad to be on it, especially based on your other drivel I am
sharing the honor with Abigail and probably a lot of other programmers
in this group.
>> I rather do that then waste his/her valuable time and money on making
>> a wget clone if wget does /exactly/ what is required.
> Exactly is a debatable term here.
A debat which you avoid by making up a brain dead rule.
> Think about how hard perl -MCPAN
What!? Installing external libraries on Perl? That *is* allowed and a
single executable not?
--
John Experienced Perl programmer: http://castleamber.com/
Perl help, tutorials, and examples: http://johnbokma.com/perl/
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Date: 13 Jan 2007 07:35:38 -0800
From: "Randall" <randall.belk@knology.net>
Subject: Re: WWW:Mechanize single quotes around URL causes problem
Message-Id: <1168702533.061451.254290@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com>
Sherm Pendley wrote:
> "Randall" <randall.belk@knology.net> writes:
>
> > Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I guess I haven't ever
> > run into a situation where I had to dig into the module code before. I
> > redefined _link_from_token in my program and all is well now. That way
> > I don't have to change the way I use Mechanize and I can take it out if
> > this gets fixed.
>
> If you've already fixed it, why not send a patch to the module's author?
>
> sherm--
>
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Done!
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