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Re: Help Perl and Excel--Multiposted <jgibson@mail.arc.nasa.gov>
John Bokma--Multiposted me@davidfilmer.net
a promising hash bob_jenkins@burtleburtle.net
Re: a promising hash <sherm@Sherm-Pendleys-Computer.local>
Re: Conditional 'use' depending of a variable rather th <john@castleamber.com>
Re: difference between print <<EOF ... and print qq(... <syscjm@gwu.edu>
Re: Help Perl and Excel--Multiposted usenet@DavidFilmer.com
Re: Help Perl and Excel--Multiposted usenet@DavidFilmer.com
Re: Help Perl and Excel--Multiposted <rvtol+news@isolution.nl>
Re: Help Perl and Excel--Multiposted <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Re: Help Perl and Excel--Multiposted <sherm@Sherm-Pendleys-Computer.local>
Re: Help Perl and Excel--Multiposted <john@castleamber.com>
Re: Help Perl and Excel--Multiposted <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us>
Re: HOW to rename a NPH script ? <mgarrish@gmail.com>
Re: John Bokma--Multiposted usenet@DavidFilmer.com
John Bokma minorpre57@alumnidirector.com
Re: John Bokma <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Re: John Bokma <john@castleamber.com>
Re: John Bokma <mgarrish@gmail.com>
Re: John Bokma axel@white-eagle.invalid.uk
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:58:27 -0700
From: Jim Gibson <jgibson@mail.arc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Help Perl and Excel--Multiposted
Message-Id: <160820061258270736%jgibson@mail.arc.nasa.gov>
In article <FbednUqnvoIsgH7ZRVn_vA@giganews.com>, <me@davidfilmer.net>
wrote:
> "Kahan" <shethaa2000@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> [ snip multiposted message ]
>
> This message has been multiposted as indicated by these message IDs:
> <news:1155734886.904771.90710@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>
> <news:1155734715.639289.223700@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>
I think it would be more useful if you could post this warning as a
reply to one of the messages, if possible. That way, I would see it as
part of the message thread in my newsreader.
Thanks for your efforts towards a better Usenet :)
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:59:23 -0500
From: me@davidfilmer.net
Subject: John Bokma--Multiposted
Message-Id: <4eSdnbyb1o2G5H7ZRVn_vA@giganews.com>
minorpre57@alumnidirector.com wrote:
>> [ snip multiposted message ]
This message has been multiposted as indicated by these message IDs:
<news:1155758201.826635.273150@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
<news:1155758178.129421.272440@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>
Multiposting is generally considered impolite in usenet. For an
explanation, please see:
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/xpost.html
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Date: 16 Aug 2006 11:51:18 -0700
From: bob_jenkins@burtleburtle.net
Subject: a promising hash
Message-Id: <1155754278.638314.242990@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
The C code
for (hash=seed, i=0; i<length; ++i)
hash = tab[(key[i] ^ hash) & 0xff] ^ (hash >> 8);
with the bytes of tab[] being permutations of 0..255 is a nice portable
hash, but not all that fast. Or it's a CRC if you fill the table
appropriately. A CRC is linear, has many nice mathematical properties
you may want (or may want to not have). Filling tab[] with
permutations, I've got to check whether that's linear in some sense,
but I don't think it is. Nonlinear functions make better
approximations of random mappings.
A CRC can be made twice as fast,
for (hash=seed, i=0; i<length; ++i)
hash = tab[(key[i] ^ hash) & 0xffff] ^ (hash >> 16);
if key[] has 2-byte entries instead of 1-byte entries, and it can
compute the same hash as the 1-byte version (though you'd need
different tables for different endian machines). In fact you could
wrap the one byte version around the two byte version, using the two
byte version on an aligned subset of the data and the one byte version
on any unaligned head and tail.
Can the same trick be used where tab[] fills each byte with
permutations, or was that trick possible only due to the linearity of
CRC? Apparently the trick can be used no matter how tab[] is filled.
Looking at individual bytes:
a, b, c, d (let x = d^k[i])
=> ta[x], tb[x] ^ a, tc[x] ^ b, td[x] ^ c (let y = td[x] ^ (c^k[i+1]))
=> ta[y], tb[y] ^ ta[x], tc[y] ^ tb[x] ^ a, td[y] ^ tc[x] ^ b
All the bytes of the 64k lookup table are well defined, using (x,y) as
index and combinations of ta, tb, tc, td to define the values. Given
d^k[i], c^k[i+1], and td[] we can get x,y. The ^(hash>>16) would take
care of XORing a,b to the bottom two bytes. One iteration of the two
byte version produces the same result as two iterations of the one byte
version.
I've got to do some more tuning and timings and tests, but this strikes
me as a winner for Perl's internal hash function. It can be fast for
short strings (using the 1-byte version), fast for long strings (mostly
using the 2-byte version), doesn't care about alignment, and can give
the same results on both big endian and little endian machines. The
most likely thing to kill it would be if the 64k array for the two-byte
version gets paged out often enough that the cost of loading it is more
than the benefit of using it. Or if it's linear in GF(2^^8) with
unfortunate properties or something like that. I've also got to time
it against Paul Hsieh's hash.
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:00:59 -0400
From: Sherm Pendley <sherm@Sherm-Pendleys-Computer.local>
Subject: Re: a promising hash
Message-Id: <m2veos1p5g.fsf@Sherm-Pendleys-Computer.local>
bob_jenkins@burtleburtle.net writes:
> I've got to do some more tuning and timings and tests, but this strikes
> me as a winner for Perl's internal hash function.
I'd suggest bringing this up on p5p, aka the perl5-porters mailing list.
Info on the list is here:
<http://lists.cpan.org/showlist.cgi?name=perl5-porters>
Keep in mind that working patches and benchmark results will be taken a
lot more seriously than ideas and theory.
sherm--
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Date: 16 Aug 2006 20:44:50 GMT
From: John Bokma <john@castleamber.com>
Subject: Re: Conditional 'use' depending of a variable rather than a constant ?
Message-Id: <Xns9821A02D741Bcastleamber@130.133.1.4>
Uri Guttman <uri@stemsystems.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "JB" == John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> writes:
>
> JB> Sherm Pendley <sherm@Sherm-Pendleys-Computer.local> wrote:
> >> Also, if you want to optionally use a module if it's available, and
> >> simply set a flag if it's not, you can wrap the require in a block
> >> eval to trap errors.
> >>
> >> unless (eval {
> >> if (FLAG) {
> >> require Thing;
> >> import Thing qw(trick dummy);
> >> }
> >> }) {
> >> die "Thing could not be required: $@";
> >> }
>
>
> JB> Uhm how about:
>
> JB> if ( $flag ) {
>
> JB> eval "use Thing qw(trick dummy)";
> JB> $@ and die $@;
> JB> }
>
> unless that is in a BEGIN block those exported subs will not be seen by
> the compiler and so will be useless.
Aargh true. I did use the above in a project (unconditional though), which
worked because I didn't export things :-D.
--
John Bokma Freelance software developer
&
Experienced Perl programmer: http://castleamber.com/
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:44:13 -0400
From: Chris Mattern <syscjm@gwu.edu>
Subject: Re: difference between print <<EOF ... and print qq(...)
Message-Id: <12e6pruoqjkhj32@corp.supernews.com>
Glenn Jackman wrote:
> At 2006-08-16 01:16PM, "lynn.newton@gmail.com" wrote:
>
>> So what I am wondering is whether anyone knows the technical
>> difference of what goes on internally whether I choose to use:
>>
>> print qq($something);
>>
>> versus
>>
>> print <<EOF;
>> $something
>> EOF
>
>
> The heredoc version will add a trailing newline.
>
It's more accurate to say the heredoc has an additional
trailing newline. The heredoc isn't adding anything;
*you* put the newline in there. But the structure of
a here doc (requiring the end flag to be on its own
line) means that the string it quotes must always end
in a newline, while there is no such requirement for qq.
Chris Mattern
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Date: 16 Aug 2006 13:10:57 -0700
From: usenet@DavidFilmer.com
Subject: Re: Help Perl and Excel--Multiposted
Message-Id: <1155759057.217863.63040@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>
Jim Gibson wrote:
> I think it would be more useful if you could post this warning as a
> reply to one of the messages, if possible.
I do that already... but this is an interesting comment, because
somebody else suggested I add references headers, which I also do. I
wonder if those aren't coming through properly? I don't have access to
my GigaNews account right now (where the bot runs), but it looks like
the messages are getting to GoogleGroups with Reply and Reference
headers intact... (and if darn GoogleGroups can grok it, I would have
thought anything could).
http://tinyurl.com/p4t72
What newsreader are you using? I'd like to do some testing...
--
David Filmer (http://DavidFilmer.com)
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Date: 16 Aug 2006 13:12:59 -0700
From: usenet@DavidFilmer.com
Subject: Re: Help Perl and Excel--Multiposted
Message-Id: <1155759179.706268.317300@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
use...@DavidFilmer.com wrote:
> What newsreader are you using? I'd like to do some testing...
Would you mind showing me exactly what the header looks like in your
reader?
--
David Filmer (http://DavidFilmer.com)
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:23:05 +0200
From: "Dr.Ruud" <rvtol+news@isolution.nl>
Subject: Re: Help Perl and Excel--Multiposted
Message-Id: <ec05se.1d8.1@news.isolution.nl>
Jim Gibson schreef:
> me@davidfilmer.net:
>> Kahan:
>>>> [ snip multiposted message ]
>>
>> This message has been multiposted as indicated by these message IDs:
>> <news:1155734886.904771.90710@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>
>> <news:1155734715.639289.223700@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>
>
> I think it would be more useful if you could post this warning as a
> reply to one of the messages
But it does. Maybe your client doesn't use the References header field,
but threads on Subject?
The Subject could be changed to
Subject: *multiposted* (was: <old-subject>)
so it has the " (was: ...)" as Son-of-RFC1036 mentions.
--
Affijn, Ruud
"Gewoon is een tijger."
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:33:54 GMT
From: "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Subject: Re: Help Perl and Excel--Multiposted
Message-Id: <Xns9821A89C8AA4Aasu1cornelledu@127.0.0.1>
usenet@DavidFilmer.com wrote in news:1155759179.706268.317300@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> use...@DavidFilmer.com wrote:
>> What newsreader are you using? I'd like to do some testing...
>
> Would you mind showing me exactly what the header looks like in your
> reader?
I am using XNews/2006.06.28 on Windows.
So far, only this message is shown in a separate thread in
comp.lang.perl.misc. However, it is shown in the same thread
in comp.lang.perl.modules. Anyway, here are the full headers
as shown in XNews per your request:
Path: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net!wnmaster11!wns14feed!worldnet.att.net!216.196.98.141!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:29:21 -0500
From: me@davidfilmer.net
Newsgroups: comp.lang.perl.misc
References: <1155734886.904771.90710@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1155734715.639289.223700@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>
In-Reply-To: <1155734886.904771.90710@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Help Perl and Excel--Multiposted
Message-ID: <FbednUqnvoIsgH7ZRVn_vA@giganews.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:29:21 -0500
Lines: 14
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"Kahan" <shethaa2000@gmail.com> wrote:
>> [ snip multiposted message ]
This message has been multiposted as indicated by these message IDs:
<news:1155734886.904771.90710@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>
<news:1155734715.639289.223700@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>
Multiposting is generally considered impolite in usenet. For an
explanation, please see:
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/xpost.html
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:38:50 -0400
From: Sherm Pendley <sherm@Sherm-Pendleys-Computer.local>
Subject: Re: Help Perl and Excel--Multiposted
Message-Id: <m2mza41kmd.fsf@Sherm-Pendleys-Computer.local>
usenet@DavidFilmer.com writes:
> Jim Gibson wrote:
>> I think it would be more useful if you could post this warning as a
>> reply to one of the messages, if possible.
>
> I do that already... but this is an interesting comment, because
> somebody else suggested I add references headers, which I also do. I
> wonder if those aren't coming through properly? I don't have access to
> my GigaNews account right now (where the bot runs)
I'm using GigaNews - the References: headers are definitely there. But,
the bot messages are being displayed as new threads instead of followups.
> What newsreader are you using? I'd like to do some testing...
Gnus
sherm--
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Date: 16 Aug 2006 20:58:25 GMT
From: John Bokma <john@castleamber.com>
Subject: Re: Help Perl and Excel--Multiposted
Message-Id: <Xns9821A27B3FB9Ccastleamber@130.133.1.4>
"Dr.Ruud" <rvtol+news@isolution.nl> wrote:
> Jim Gibson schreef:
>> me@davidfilmer.net:
>>> Kahan:
>
>>>>> [ snip multiposted message ]
>>>
>>> This message has been multiposted as indicated by these message IDs:
>>> <news:1155734886.904771.90710@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>
>>> <news:1155734715.639289.223700@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>
>>
>> I think it would be more useful if you could post this warning as a
>> reply to one of the messages
>
> But it does. Maybe your client doesn't use the References header
> field, but threads on Subject?
>
> The Subject could be changed to
>
> Subject: *multiposted* (was: <old-subject>)
>
> so it has the " (was: ...)" as Son-of-RFC1036 mentions.
:-D
Anyway, headers as per request:
Path:
uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!postnews.google.com!news3.google.com!
border1.n
ntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!
news
.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006
08:29:21 -0500 From: me@davidfilmer.net
Newsgroups: comp.lang.perl.misc
References: <1155734886.904771.90710@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>
<1155734715.639289.223700@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To:
<1155734886.904771.90710@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Help
Perl and Excel--Multiposted Message-ID:
<FbednUqnvoIsgH7ZRVn_vA@giganews.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:29:21
-0500 Lines: 14
X-Trace:
sv3-jDrLGr3Mi1/qzLtJ4Yb4flxbPEAm7
+Wkdo/mGWa7Um6BLU49mzMEYg1f5B5MMjrxZt8Xs
By3tAkpiez!
bwZWC3DHcYiaFFs1SEPhuRTULqeKPnMFfzC31f/QW7pad+ygQ2pQz4sY9BzB7g
== X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com
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X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your
complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32
Xref: uni-berlin.de comp.lang.perl.misc:596245
Also, I have the feeling that those extra spaces are picked up by some
clients, e.g.
Subject: Help Perl and Excel--Multiposted
<-5->
results in:
<-5->
Subject: Re: Help Perl and Excel--Multiposted
:
Message-ID: <160820061258270736%jgibson@mail.arc.nasa.gov>
--
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&
Experienced Perl programmer: http://castleamber.com/
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:49:05 -0700
From: Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Help Perl and Excel--Multiposted
Message-Id: <hfgcr3xkvd.ln2@goaway.wombat.san-francisco.ca.us>
On 2006-08-16, usenet@DavidFilmer.com <usenet@DavidFilmer.com> wrote:
> Jim Gibson wrote:
>> I think it would be more useful if you could post this warning as a
>> reply to one of the messages, if possible.
[snip]
>
> What newsreader are you using? I'd like to do some testing...
FWIW, your bot's post shows up as a followup to the original post in my
client (slrn).
--keith
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Date: 16 Aug 2006 14:37:20 -0700
From: "Matt Garrish" <mgarrish@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: HOW to rename a NPH script ?
Message-Id: <1155764240.270586.200020@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> Hallo,
>
> I've a NPH perl CGI under apache
>
> What possibilities I have to tell apache,
> that this is still an nph script,
Just a piece of advice, although your question makes passing reference
to perl, it's really an apache configuration issue. You're much more
likely to get the advice you're looking for in an apache group. You
might hit on someone who knows here, but you're equally likely to hit
on someone who only half knows, and there'd be no one to tell you what
they missed.
Matt
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Date: 16 Aug 2006 13:04:23 -0700
From: usenet@DavidFilmer.com
Subject: Re: John Bokma--Multiposted
Message-Id: <1155758663.452705.198670@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
me@davidfilmer.net wrote:
> minorpre57@alumnidirector.com wrote:
> >> [ snip multiposted message ]
At least John adheres to usenet ettiquite and doesn't multipost
personal attacks (or multipost anything, for that matter).
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Date: 16 Aug 2006 12:56:18 -0700
From: minorpre57@alumnidirector.com
Subject: John Bokma
Message-Id: <1155758178.129421.272440@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>
I'm sick of his constant whining and bitching here. Is anyone else
surprised by this:
http://johnbokma.com/kids/:
"By the end of February 2003 I lost my recently found job due to being
emotionally unstable."
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:16:44 GMT
From: "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Subject: Re: John Bokma
Message-Id: <Xns9821A5B391C9Aasu1cornelledu@127.0.0.1>
minorpre57@alumnidirector.com wrote in news:1155758178.129421.272440
@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
> I'm sick of his constant whining and bitching here. Is anyone else
> surprised by this:
Well, John's standing in my eyes just went up several orders of magnitude.
I have known more than handful of people who chose the easy way out when
faced with much less devastating.
I'll go work on some abuse reports now.
Sinan
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Date: 16 Aug 2006 20:53:05 GMT
From: John Bokma <john@castleamber.com>
Subject: Re: John Bokma
Message-Id: <Xns9821A193D5EA2castleamber@130.133.1.4>
"A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid> wrote:
> minorpre57@alumnidirector.com wrote in news:1155758178.129421.272440
> @p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
>
>> I'm sick of his constant whining and bitching here. Is anyone else
>> surprised by this:
>
> Well, John's standing in my eyes just went up several orders of
> magnitude. I have known more than handful of people who chose the easy
> way out when faced with much less devastating.
Thanks Sinan,
However the amount of emotional stuff people can handle differs from
person to person. The easy way out isn't certainly the easy way out. My
experience is that there can be times that there seems to be no choice
left but "out".
Also, those feelings that make one take "the easy way out" can be
extremely overwhelming and confusing. They can pop up every day, and stay
for hours. Not everybody can handle that, but IMO you can't call it an
easy way out. It's not like: my cat died, so I hang myself :-)
A lot of what's inside people stays inside because its very hard to talk
about, and in the cases one shows a bit, there is always someone like the
OP who thinks you can stand above someone by digging a hole under his/her
feet.
Anyway, I am sure that rarely now and then things slip through, meaning
that I might overreact a bit. More in the past, but I am sure it happens.
I think that this makes us human :-)
--
John Bokma Freelance software developer
&
Experienced Perl programmer: http://castleamber.com/
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Date: 16 Aug 2006 14:25:15 -0700
From: "Matt Garrish" <mgarrish@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: John Bokma
Message-Id: <1155763515.055844.134620@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
minorpre57@alumnidirector.com wrote:
> I'm sick of his constant whining and bitching here. Is anyone else
> surprised by this:
>
> http://johnbokma.com/kids/:
> "By the end of February 2003 I lost my recently found job due to being
> emotionally unstable."
Much as it pains me to side with the Bokma, I do try and maintain a
certain level of consistency in who I attack. This is a forum for
discussing *perl*, not for launching personal attacks of this nature.
If you object to something he does/says that relates to something being
discussed in the group or deals with his specific behaviour in the
group (or anyone else's for that matter) you're more than free to
express those objections. You don't even have to be nice, as I rarely
am. But nothing is more puerile than taking pot shots at a person based
on personal information of no bearing to this group. But then you
probably wouldn't understand that since you use a meaningless email
address to "identify" yourself.
Matt
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:27:51 GMT
From: axel@white-eagle.invalid.uk
Subject: Re: John Bokma
Message-Id: <r5MEg.13977$lv.12432@fed1read12>
minorpre57@alumnidirector.com wrote:
> I'm sick of his constant whining and bitching here. Is anyone else
> surprised by this:
[ personal stuff snipped]
By the fact that you make personal remarks about valued posters which
have nothing to with Perl... it tells us all a lot more about you rather
than anyone else.
Axel
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