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Today's topics:
Re: _Please_ improve localtime! <Russell_Schulz@locutus.ofB.ORG>
Re: can a perl script do this? (Abigail)
Re: Can cgi pass uid/pwd for access to .htaccess protec (Abigail)
Re: Changing attribs of a file on server, how? (Abigail)
Comparing two arrays of hashes (Pfash1)
Re: file sorting <lr@hpl.hp.com>
Re: How can I join two hashes? <rick.delaney@home.com>
Re: How to round a number? <skilchen@swissonline.ch>
Re: invalid transmission? (Abigail)
Re: Perl vs. REBOL (Abigail)
Re: Perl vs. REBOL (Abigail)
Re: Reference challenge <rick.delaney@home.com>
Re: Reference challenge (Abigail)
Re: Reference challenge <lr@hpl.hp.com>
Streamlining perldb in emacs? <igadget@earthlink.net>
Re: Substitution (Abigail)
Re: Uses of # (Philip 'Yes, that's my address' Newton)
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 14:28:56 -0600
From: Russell Schulz <Russell_Schulz@locutus.ofB.ORG>
Subject: Re: _Please_ improve localtime!
Message-Id: <19991024.142856.3Q8.rnr.w164w@locutus.ofB.ORG>
Ilya Zakharevich <ilya@math.ohio-state.edu> writes:
> I do not think Larry made this stupid decision of AD-1900
> consciously, probably he just mindlessly inherited brain-dead C
> decision.
I would bet big money that you are right.
> P.S. In 2 years the situation may change: it would be 2 years as the
> answer given by localtime() carries *no* convinience at all. ;-)
It blows me away to see how AmEx has billboards proclaiming they are
`Y3K Compliant' (not a typo), and yet the 20-foot-high cards shown on
the billboards have 2-digit expiry years! Talk about not solving the
problem once and for all (for 8000 years, anyway) when you have a chance.
Where was it I was reading about how Plan 9 was getting 2000's leap year
status wrong, because the code used localtime() and they had forgotten
to add the 1900 before testing for divisibility by 400... And yet the
mantra of `just read the manual, idiot' continues by some. Scary.
--
Russell_Schulz@locutus.ofB.ORG Shad 86c
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Date: 24 Oct 1999 19:48:09 -0500
From: abigail@delanet.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: can a perl script do this?
Message-Id: <slrn817a5h.fji.abigail@alexandra.delanet.com>
Joe Zelwietro (deplib@citytel.net) wrote on MMCCXLV September MCMXCIII in
<URL:news:3813820e@rsl2.rslnet.net>:
^^
^^ I know that what I'm asking is a client-side issue and perl works on the
^^ server-side, but I need to know whether Perl can do what I need before I
^^ look elsewhere.
^^ I want a browser to have a home page, call it Bob's webpage. After people
^^ have surfed a few minutes (say 3 minutes) and left the machine I want the
^^ browser to revert back to Bob's page. Is this possible in Perl? All advice
^^ welcome.
Yes, you can write a browser in Perl that does this.
Abigail
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Date: 24 Oct 1999 19:48:44 -0500
From: abigail@delanet.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: Can cgi pass uid/pwd for access to .htaccess protected files?
Message-Id: <slrn817a6k.fji.abigail@alexandra.delanet.com>
Robert Bajan (bajan@cool.mb.ca) wrote on MMCCXLV September MCMXCIII in
<URL:news:38138F52.278C2E2A@cool.mb.ca>:
^^ Can cgi pass uid/pwd (collected from html form or cookie) to acl
^^ (.htaccess) for access of protected pages?
^^ I would like to provide option of saving uid/pwd in a cookie so that
^^ visitors don't need to login every time they visit the site.
And your Perl contribution of today is?
Abigail
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Date: 24 Oct 1999 19:55:58 -0500
From: abigail@delanet.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: Changing attribs of a file on server, how?
Message-Id: <slrn817ak6.fji.abigail@alexandra.delanet.com>
Nikita Synytskyy (nikita@mondenet.com) wrote on MMCCXLV September
MCMXCIII in <URL:news:38132179.61A2B285@mondenet.com>:
##
## The questions in this post deal more with general CGI programming issues
## (read: newbie questions) and not with Perl itself.
Then why are you posting here?
## (read: newbie questions) and not with Perl itself. I have tried posting
## to CGI-related newsgroups, but most of them have such low traffic that
## posts sit there for weeks without getting answered.
And? Why should that be a problem here? Why not post in alt.food.coffee
instead?
## I am working on my homepage, and currently I'm trying to set up a couple
## of CGI scripts. I have a problem, however: I don't know how to change
## the attributes of files to "executable", so that the server can run
## them. The problem is I upload my files via ftp to the server, I don't
## have "direct" access to the files, so "chmod 755 filename.ext" does not
## work (or else I just don't know how to issue it so that the server would
## understand me). Any ideas/workarounds/etc?
Yes. Get a better FTP client. It remains a mystery to me what this has
to do with Perl. Or with CGI for that matter.
## Also, I am familiar with Pascal, C/C++ and Java, but have no clue about
## Perl, so I would like to write the CGI programs in one of the languages
## I know.
Good for you. Why are you telling us?
## For compiled languages, if I compile the code on a machine
## running WinNT, will it run on an Apache server?
Apache runs on WinNT, so I guess the answer is yes. What the hell are you
asking in this group for? It has nothing to do with Perl. For that matter,
it has nothing to do with CGI either. Ask in a group about wannabee OSses.
## How about Java
## bytecodes, which are supposed to be universally portable?
Keyword: supposed. Perhaps you should post in alt.food.coffee. Isn't
Java a coffee type?
## Any ideas how
## I can NOT learn Perl?
Yes. In the same way as you don't learn French. Just stroke out French
and replace it with Perl.
Abigail
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Date: 25 Oct 1999 01:12:19 GMT
From: pfash1@aol.com (Pfash1)
Subject: Comparing two arrays of hashes
Message-Id: <19991024211219.23618.00001193@ng-ch1.aol.com>
#I would so much appreciate help here: I have two text files of records (one
has sent emails the other replies to emails) seperated by dotted lines.
#I want to open the sent mail file('careerclassSENT2'), isolate sender,
recipient and message and fill an array of hashes with this information.
# Then I want to open the text file that contains the replies
('careerclassREPLY2') and find all the senders' names, check to see if any of
them #matches a sender's name from the sentmail file (in other words if there
exists a reply to one of the sent emails) and if so to print the reply. Got
#most of this done but I haven't been able to print the reply message once I
know there is a match between the sender's name from the sentmail file #and the
reply file. Here is the code: (the two text files follow)
#!perl #-w
open (SENTMAIL, 'careerclassSENT2') || die &error_file;
my @array_of_emails;
{
local $/ =
"-------------------------------------------------------------------------
--\n\n";
while (<SENTMAIL>)
{
chomp;
if ( s/^To: (.*)\n+Sender's Name: (.*)\n// )
{
push @array_of_emails, {to => $1, from => $2, msg => $_};
}
else
{
#print XXXXX;
}
}
}
close <SENTMAIL>;
###########
open (RE, 'careerclassREPLY2') || die &error_file;
my @array_of_replies;
{
local $/ =
"-------------------------------------------------------------------------
--\n";
while (<RE>)
{
chomp;
if ( s/^>\n> To: (.*)\n+>\n> Sender's Name: (.*)\n// )
{
push @array_of_replies, {Rto => $1, Rfrom => $2, Rmsg => $_};
foreach (@array_of_emails)
{
if( $_->{from} eq $_->{Rfrom})
{
print $_;
print $_->{Rmsg};#neither of these prints the message associated with
the match
}
}
}
else
{
#print "XXXX";
}
}
}
close <RE>;
####################careerclassREPLY2#############
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> To: Steve
>
> Sender's Name: Jarrett
here is the reply from steve
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> To: PamS
>
> Sender's Name: Emily
here is the reply from nicholas
#################careerclassSENT2####################
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 18:47:06 -0700
From: Larry Rosler <lr@hpl.hp.com>
Subject: Re: file sorting
Message-Id: <MPG.127d5673d2c92fe498a111@nntp.hpl.hp.com>
In article <381360C7.3B6F25FF@pikesville.net> on Sun, 24 Oct 1999
15:40:55 -0400, V.B. <spyder@pikesville.net> says...
> in your example , you state that print can handle the list directly... what
> i am looking for is the myfile.ext to be sorted itself,,, back into the
> file....
> the faq example , after i tried it, did the job,,, will your GRP example do
> the same? or will it orint directly to an html? Im going to go play with it
> for a bit.
> > > print # for??? -- 'print' can handle the list directly!
> > > map substr($_, 1 + rindex $_, "\0") =>
> > > sort
> > > map +(split /;/)[4] . "\0$_" =>
> > > <IN>;
The value returned by 'map' is a list. Without the 'for', print()
prints the list directly. With the 'for', print() prints the list one
element at a time.
To save the sorted list instead of printing it, just assign it to an
array. To print it back to the input file, open another file for
output, print to it, then do the rename and unlink described in
perlfaq5: "How do I change one line in a file/delete a line in a
file/insert a line in the middle of a file/append to the beginning of a
file?"
--
(Just Another Larry) Rosler
Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Larry_Rosler/
lr@hpl.hp.com
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 00:32:51 GMT
From: Rick Delaney <rick.delaney@home.com>
Subject: Re: How can I join two hashes?
Message-Id: <3813A542.22F04434@home.com>
[posted & mailed]
lt lindley wrote:
>
> Dan Sugalski <dan@tuatha.sidhe.org> wrote:
>
> :>Now that's interesting. The second method should take up significantly less
> :>memory at runtime (about half, if the hashes are of equivalent size) which
> :>could make a difference if they were big enough to cause some paging
> :>activity.
>
> keys %hash2; #iterates over the keys to create list
> values %hash2; # iterates over the keys and gets the values to create list
>
> Two separate loops to iterate through the hash and create 2 lists as
> opposed to a straight assignment which would only iterate once to
> create one list. So add2 would only be faster if it avoided
> thrashing.
I don't think think that's all of it.
> I'm only guessing. I haven't looked. A dangerous gamble in c.l.p.m,
> but I like my chances. :-)
Well, let's see.
#!/usr/local/bin/perl -w
use strict;
use Benchmark;
use vars qw(%h1 %h2);
%h1 = (a => 'b', b => 'a');
%h2 = (c => 'd', d => 'c');
timethese(100000, {
add1 => q { my %hash = (%h1, %h2); },
add2 => q { my %hash = %h1; @hash{ keys %h2 } = values %h2; },
add3 => q {
my %hash = (keys %h1, values %h1, keys %h2, values %h2)
},
});
__END__
Benchmark: timing 100000 iterations of add1, add2, add3...
add1: 6 wallclock secs ( 5.87 usr + 0.00 sys = 5.87 CPU)
add2: 7 wallclock secs ( 7.38 usr + 0.00 sys = 7.38 CPU)
add3: 7 wallclock secs ( 6.25 usr + 0.00 sys = 6.25 CPU)
It looks more like there is some slowdown with the hash slice. Perhaps
because the slice looks up each key instead of just following an
iterator. But now I'm guessing. ;-)
--
Rick Delaney
rick.delaney@home.com
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 02:36:49 GMT
From: "Samuel Kilchenmann" <skilchen@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: How to round a number?
Message-Id: <5nPQ3.26281$m4.95656863@news.magma.ca>
Abigail <abigail@delanet.com> wrote in message
news:slrn81664c.fji.abigail@alexandra.delanet.com...
> Francois Dupradeau (fyd@u-picardie.fr) wrote on MMCCXLIII September
> MCMXCIII in <URL:news:3810B735.41C6@u-picardie.fr>:
> __
> __ Is there a function in Perl to round off the 2nd or the thrird
> __ (or the 5th, etc...) number after the decimal point of a number?
>
> Yes,
>
You mean: No.
> RTFM.
>
Yes, read it. Strangely enough the only thing you will find is a nice
little example of a round XSUB in perlxstut.pod.
Its in the FFAQ where you find the answer that Perl has no round
function and that you could use (s)printf instead.
And in the F Perl Cookbook they say:
Usually, though, we can just use sprintf. The f format lets you
specify a particular number of decimal places to round its argument
to. Perl looks at the following digit, rounds up if it is 5 or
greater, and rounds down otherwise.
This last sentence is simply wrong. But i have to admit that i don't
care to look at the source to see, what Perl really does. It probably
just uses the systems [fd]toa or something like that.
Please try what you get on your systems with
printf("%.0f, %.0f\n", 2.5, 7.5);
printf("%.1f, %.1f\n", 0.25, 0.75);
printf("%.2f, %.2f\n", 0.125, 0.375);
printf("%.3f, %.3f\n", 0.0625, 0.1875);
I am almost sure that on many (*nixish) systems this will print:
2, 8
0.2, 0.8
0.12, 0.38
0.062, 0.188
while on others (Win32) it will print:
3, 8
0.3, 0.8
0.13, 0.38
0.063, 0.188
To ask the question once more: why is there no round function in Perl
with the same behavior on all platforms?
(I also checked what "Mastering Algorithms with Perl" has to say about
rounding and the misterîes of floating point arithmetic in general:
not very much, and what it has to say is surely not the best part of
the book.)
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Date: 24 Oct 1999 20:31:42 -0500
From: abigail@delanet.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: invalid transmission?
Message-Id: <slrn817cn6.fji.abigail@alexandra.delanet.com>
Steve (smt@bpsinet.com) wrote on MMCCXLV September MCMXCIII in
<URL:news:BhJQ3.1919$SU1.175511@news1.primary.net>:
// why do people have to be so damn rude...all it is is a question that has not
// been answered by the host server. If you are the expert on this subject then
// you should know if it is a perl question and not just reply that it doesn't
// "sound" like one. Newsgroups are supposed to be helpful to people not for
// people to be ridiculed!
Do you have anything useful to contribute, or are you just a whiner?
// It is a legitimate question and all I would like to
// know is if anyone has ever run into this problem before.
It's not a legitimate question in this group.
// I did not expect to
// be ridiculed for asking a question! There are several "programmers" out
// there who use this script and I thought some of them might be courteous
// enough to tell me if they have ever ran into this error.
There are several programmers out there working with the GIMP as well.
You don't see their question here, do you?
// I will venture to
// guess that you are just some errogant asshole who likes to make people think
// he is an expert! I really hope there is a respectful web master out there
// who might be able to at least point me in the right direction to correct
// this problem.
You should be able to find web masters in alt.food.bbq.webmaster.
Abigail
--
perl -we '$@="\145\143\150\157\040\042\112\165\163\164\040\141\156\157\164".
"\150\145\162\040\120\145\162\154\040\110\141\143\153\145\162".
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Date: 24 Oct 1999 19:40:14 -0500
From: abigail@delanet.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: Perl vs. REBOL
Message-Id: <slrn8179mm.fji.abigail@alexandra.delanet.com>
Billy Zhao (bz9t@yahoo.com) wrote on MMCCXLIV September MCMXCIII in
<URL:news:7ur8mv$83v$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>:
// Hi,
//
// I'm working on a project for my programming languages class. Given as how
// REBOL is still relatively new and there're not too many testimonials out
// there, I was just wondering if someone who has used REBOL and/or Perl can
// run down a list of specs I have and tell me which language has the advantage
// over the other?
Aaaah. Not again. Read deja.com, we've been over this a couple of times.
Abigail
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Date: 24 Oct 1999 19:41:41 -0500
From: abigail@delanet.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: Perl vs. REBOL
Message-Id: <slrn8179pd.fji.abigail@alexandra.delanet.com>
Billy Zhao (bz9t@yahoo.com) wrote on MMCCXLV September MCMXCIII in
<URL:news:7utvkt$8ta$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>:
--
-- "Keep in mind that it is intended to help inform newcomers." That's in the
-- email from Nathan Torkington. I count myself as a newcomer. If you feel
-- like patronizing me, email the reponse to me, there's no need to post
-- sarcastic comments to the group. If you don't feel like helping, don't.
-- But please keep your mean spirited arrogance to yourself.
Whiner. If you can't stand the heat, don't bother posting.
Abigail
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 00:09:15 GMT
From: Rick Delaney <rick.delaney@home.com>
Subject: Re: Reference challenge
Message-Id: <38139FBB.96A373CA@home.com>
Larry Rosler wrote:
>
> # How many of Booleans f() and g() are true?
> $x = (f() ? 1 : 0) + (g() ? 1 : 0);
>
> Yecch!
Indeed, but you can do better than that.
$x = grep $_, f(), g();
--
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rick.delaney@home.com
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Date: 24 Oct 1999 19:24:37 -0500
From: abigail@delanet.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: Reference challenge
Message-Id: <slrn8178pd.fji.abigail@alexandra.delanet.com>
Sean McAfee (mcafee@waits.facilities.med.umich.edu) wrote on MMCCXLV
September MCMXCIII in <URL:news:DILQ3.625$4G.115867@news.itd.umich.edu>:
--
-- If this behavior of ref() is really fixed in stone, why does perlfunc
-- only describe its return code as FALSE, which encompasses four (or three,
-- depending on how they're counted) distinct scalar values? This is as silly
-- as documenting a function which returns a boolean value of 0 or 1 with the
-- words "returns an odd integer on success, and an even integer on failure".
--
-- Time for perlfunc to be updated, maybe?
Patches welcome.
Abigail
--
split // => '"';
${"@_"} = "/"; split // => eval join "+" => 1 .. 7;
*{"@_"} = sub {foreach (sort keys %_) {print "$_ $_{$_} "}};
%{"@_"} = %_ = (Just => another => Perl => Hacker); &{%{%_}};
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 19:53:50 -0700
From: Larry Rosler <lr@hpl.hp.com>
Subject: Re: Reference challenge
Message-Id: <MPG.127d66137136029698a112@nntp.hpl.hp.com>
In article <38139FBB.96A373CA@home.com> on Mon, 25 Oct 1999 00:09:15
GMT, Rick Delaney <rick.delaney@home.com> says...
> Larry Rosler wrote:
> >
> > # How many of Booleans f() and g() are true?
> > $x = (f() ? 1 : 0) + (g() ? 1 : 0);
> >
> > Yecch!
>
> Indeed, but you can do better than that.
>
> $x = grep $_, f(), g();
I was trying to do worse, not better. Yecch!
This is better, but *undocumented*:
$x = f() + g();
What I was really after was using the result of the Boolean in some real
computation as implicitly 1 or 0, without gimmicks or ternary operators.
--
(Just Another Larry) Rosler
Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Larry_Rosler/
lr@hpl.hp.com
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:27:49 +0000
From: Ruven Gottlieb <igadget@earthlink.net>
Subject: Streamlining perldb in emacs?
Message-Id: <381379D5.CCEA7228@earthlink.net>
Hi,
I'm new at both Perl and emacs: I barely know perl, and don't know lisp,
but I have to write a fairly sophisticated perl script anyway. I'm
running emacs under X (not xemacs). I'd like to know how to invoke the
Perl debugger from the menubar "debugger" selection. Typing "perldb" ,
etc. is too tedious. :-)
I'd also like to know how to set up the debugger session so that when
the program aborts, :-( and aborts...)-: I retain the windows showing
the error messages in one, and the source code in the other, instead of
looking at the tail end of perldb. I'd also like to know how to set up
perldb so that I can watch the same variables from one session to the
next without having to type everything over again.
Can you put command-line commands in a .perldb file or something? I
couldn't get this to work. I'm trying to have commands like "{w" and
"W $variable" invoked automatically. I haven't figured out how to hack
emacs yet. One thing at a time...
Does anyone have something I could add to emacs where all this is set
up?
Thanks,
Ruven
--
Most software is too hard.
Most hardware is too soft.
-- Ruven Gottlieb, the cynical optimist
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Date: 24 Oct 1999 19:28:24 -0500
From: abigail@delanet.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: Substitution
Message-Id: <slrn81790g.fji.abigail@alexandra.delanet.com>
Larry Rosler (lr@hpl.hp.com) wrote on MMCCXLV September MCMXCIII in
<URL:news:MPG.127d244ccb05cd6298a10e@nntp.hpl.hp.com>:
## In article <slrn8163m6.fji.abigail@alexandra.delanet.com> on 24 Oct 1999
## 08:51:25 -0500, Abigail <abigail@delanet.com> says...
## >
## > perl -pe's!^!Content-Type: text/plain\n\n!if$.<2' /home/ollie/.plan
##
## Please explain exactly how an HTTP server would go about invoking and
## executing that command line
fork and exec.
Next?
Abigail
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 04:35:54 GMT
From: nospam.newton@gmx.net (Philip 'Yes, that's my address' Newton)
Subject: Re: Uses of #
Message-Id: <380ea939.998803901@news.nikoma.de>
On 17 Oct 1999 19:41:16 -0500, abigail@delanet.com (Abigail) wrote:
>No. "Perl" ne "perl".
<facetious>
But "Perl" == "perl" :)
</facetious>
Cheers,
Philip
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Philip Newton <nospam.newton@gmx.net>
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