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Re: Redhat 4.2/Linux-Athena

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Derek Atkins)
Wed Jun 4 14:22:09 1997

To: Chris Murphy <chris@MIT.EDU>
Cc: Erik Nygren <nygren@MIT.EDU>, linux-dev@MIT.EDU
From: Derek Atkins <warlord@MIT.EDU>
Date: 04 Jun 1997 14:21:46 -0400
In-Reply-To: Chris Murphy's message of Wed, 04 Jun 1997 13:30:27 EDT

Chris Murphy <chris@MIT.EDU> writes:

> There is an rc file that starts afs, does a gettime, and starts zhm
> (and probably some other things as well) that aren't appropriate for
> home or laptop users.

Yea, this is one of the bugs in the athena.init which I know about but
I'm not sure exactly what to do about it.  Would it be valid to grep
for a default route in the routing table to see if we're on the
network?  I'm still not sure I understand what you mean by backing it
out to install the athena-rc package....

> Unless something has changed since last I did this, there is a
> dependancy between the ktelnet rpm (which installs both the client
> and the server) and the athena login, so if you want the ability to
> do kerberized telnet (useful for the home and mobile user) you
> probably have to ignore the dependancies for the package and then
> pickup after the telnet daemon installation, depending on how/if you
> want to deal with telnet connections.  Not a major problem but kinda
> messy, especially if all you really want is a telnet client.

Yea, the current package division is kind of weird.  That's one major
thing I'd like to fix in the SRVD/SPM system.  In particular, separate
the client from the server..  "mkserv remote" vs. "mkserv
kerberos-client", or something like that.

> Also, while I like to think of myself as special :), I'm not sure that's 
> really true here.  Do you consider home and laptop users that unusual?

Yes, actually, I do.  I believe there is at most 1 laptop user to
every 9 PC users of RedHat-Athena.  And I also believe that the
majority of laptop/home users are more power-users than anything else.

I do believe that some of the problems that people see at home or on
laptops are surmountable.  I do believe it is possible to create an
installation which will work when you disconnect it from the network.
But that is orthogonal to the installation system.

-derek

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