[119094] in Cypherpunks
Re: [Raven] strategy in the GAK skirmish
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Matthew Saroff)
Thu Oct 14 19:42:27 1999
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:29:37 -0500
From: Matthew Saroff <saroff@poseidon.vs.lmco.com>
In-reply-to: Adam Back <adam@cypherspace.org> <"[Raven] strategy in the GAK skirmish"@[138.209.240.12]>
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On Oct 15, 12:08am, Adam Back wrote:
> Plus one presumes a number of individuals who are socialists who
> believe that the nanny state should micromanage the security and
> safety of individuals, by massively trading off privacy and freedoms
> for marginal security increments.
This is a gross mischaracterization of socialism, though not
necessarily a mischaracterization of Facism. The best examples of states
tending towards socialism these days are the Scandanavian countries, and they
also tend to be the most open in their law enforcement apparatus, as in the
case of the Swedish open document laws.
The USSR was never socialism, it was the Tzars rule with some window
dressing, just as China's "socialism" is actually Imperial China, as it has
been for many years
Socialism is at it's core an economic point of view, not a governmental
one.
I'm not a socialist, just a left of centyer Democrat (to the right of
Paul Wellstone though).
Sorry about picking nits, but it ticks me off.
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